War in Ukraine

cron78 · Aug 11, 2025 at 11:34 PM

PITBOSS said: ↑

Agree Trump is like a mafia boss — but Russia invading Ukraine isn’t like two “mafia families” fighting. It’s more like a gang of thugs relentlessly attacking someone’s home, while the homeowner fights to keep them out. They destroy the house, kidnap children, rape women, and torture & kill the sons. And mafia boss Trump says, “Sure, we’ll help — for a price.” Or now it will be…. “My friend, mafia boss Putin “promises” he will stop if you surrender the land he’s currently stealing. Let’s just all appease Mr. Putin.”
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Not to mention the thugs literally carrying away washers, dryers, and refrigerators…

gator_fever · Aug 12, 2025 at 1:19 AM

chemgator said: ↑

The naive administration was not Biden's--it's Trump's. Biden was not just relying on sanctions and tweets. He supplied Ukraine with more weapons than Trump did. He started supplying Ukraine with intelligence. The purpose of Biden's tweets was to inform the U.S. population of the need to support Ukraine and oppose Russian expansionism, not to end the war in any way. Trump cut off the supply of weapons, like a coward, convincing his followers that he was saving money. Trump's tweets and speeches were clownish attempts to beg Putin to stop fighting, or attempts to bully Zelenskyy to give up his land.

The war is not "going Russia's way". Russia would have control of Kiev by now if it were going their way. They are having all kinds of problems financing this war (and their own economy), and those problems will only increase as time goes by. Their military grows less capable as time goes by as experienced and well-trained troops die off. This is a repeat of their Afghanistan debacle at a much greater scale. If Ukraine can hold out long enough, it will end more or less like Afghanistan did for Russia. With a troop pullout, tails between their legs, and Ukraine celebrating their freedom and looking forward to reconstruction (paid for partially by seized Russian money).

And no, the West never "goaded" Russia into invading Ukraine. Putin did that all on his own, for minerals and farmland, as well as "living room" and slaves (subservient subjects). No one forced him to do anything.

Trump thought his lies and foolish bluffs would end this war. His first lie was that he, and only he, could end the war on Day 1 of his presidency. He failed miserably. It was obvious he had no plan whatsoever. Basically, he assumed that the Nobel Peace Prize was his just for showing up and telling a few lies. He was wrong. By supporting Putin in this war, Trump is weakening democracy, freedom, and international rule of law, as well as weakening the position of the United States to influence future events. His attempts to save us a few billion dollars will cost us more than a few trillion dollars in future defense spending. Trump will be known as the textbook definition of a fool and an idiot who was in way over his head as a global leader, much less a leader of the free world.
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Yep that is why Russia rolled in and took their objective and now are taking additional land which they likely don't want to keep long term. Biden and company were morons pushing Ukraine to goad Russia even more like that.

As far as what is coming bookmark this post if you want - I don't care if there is additional sanctions or if more money is wasted on this by the US or not there is a 98% chance any agreement or prolonged ceasefire will only happen with Ukraine not getting control of Donbass back and Russia won't be allowing any NATO troops/units in there to enforce any peace agreement. Trump can get mad if Zelensky or Russia won't agree to something but Russia will not make a deal allowing those things as they have already took what they planned to take. Ukraine can play stupid and make Russia take more though that they can deal back later. Maybe the lefty media can run more fake news Ghost of Kiev type stories and that will change the result of this war.

uftaipan · Aug 12, 2025 at 5:00 AM

homer said: ↑

Defense contractors would like to sell military supplies to Europe and Ukraine for use in Ukraine. It’s a business decision for them.
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Of course, they would. They also like seeing their products tested under combat conditions. I would, too.

uftaipan · Aug 12, 2025 at 5:03 AM

chemgator said: ↑

The naive administration was not Biden's--it's Trump's. Biden was not just relying on sanctions and tweets. He supplied Ukraine with more weapons than Trump did. He started supplying Ukraine with intelligence. The purpose of Biden's tweets was to inform the U.S. population of the need to support Ukraine and oppose Russian expansionism, not to end the war in any way. Trump cut off the supply of weapons, like a coward, convincing his followers that he was saving money. Trump's tweets and speeches were clownish attempts to beg Putin to stop fighting, or attempts to bully Zelenskyy to give up his land.

The war is not "going Russia's way". Russia would have control of Kiev by now if it were going their way. They are having all kinds of problems financing this war (and their own economy), and those problems will only increase as time goes by. Their military grows less capable as time goes by as experienced and well-trained troops die off. This is a repeat of their Afghanistan debacle at a much greater scale. If Ukraine can hold out long enough, it will end more or less like Afghanistan did for Russia. With a troop pullout, tails between their legs, and Ukraine celebrating their freedom and looking forward to reconstruction (paid for partially by seized Russian money).

And no, the West never "goaded" Russia into invading Ukraine. Putin did that all on his own, for minerals and farmland, as well as "living room" and slaves (subservient subjects). No one forced him to do anything.

Trump thought his lies and foolish bluffs would end this war. His first lie was that he, and only he, could end the war on Day 1 of his presidency. He failed miserably. It was obvious he had no plan whatsoever. Basically, he assumed that the Nobel Peace Prize was his just for showing up and telling a few lies. He was wrong. By supporting Putin in this war, Trump is weakening democracy, freedom, and international rule of law, as well as weakening the position of the United States to influence future events. His attempts to save us a few billion dollars will cost us more than a few trillion dollars in future defense spending. Trump will be known as the textbook definition of a fool and an idiot who was in way over his head as a global leader, much less a leader of the free world.
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You can be fairly critical of the way this President is handling the war without giving a pass to the last President for the feckless way he handled the war for three years.

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