US Air Force to deny retirement pay to transgender service members being separated from the service

Absolutes are our downfall. I also dont think one "hates" trans people if they believe many have mental health issues which often times aren't addressed by changing how one identifies.

It seems as even our far right members here agree that this action against members who have dutifully served is flat out wrong so even the "haters" acknowledge those affected deserve to be treated better.

Its my opinion that many times what is perceived or maybe even conveyed by poor or emotional communicators as hate is the total rejection of any boundaries or social constructs as it pertains to gender and in more extreme cases age fluidity. I dont believe the 40 something year old man that left his family and now identifies as a 6 year old girl (who also BTW dates grown men) is the norm or even common however, the left alienates and creates a further extreme reaction when they accept his case as normal. That doesn't mean there isn't a hateful, bigoted contingent out there just that there is middle ground that gets attacked for anything other than wholesale acceptance.

Like everything, there is a great amount of nuance to the Trans issue in general that is ignored on both sides. Any reservations I personally have lie therein however I respect a person's right to live happy as they please. I also think oragator nailed it regarding this administration failing on the economy while taking a vindictive approach to every other social issue. I dont necessarily disagree with some of the issues they address but I dont agree at all with how they are dealing with them like DOGE, productive illegals, religion etc etc

FTR I rarely comment anymore at all since I've been banned twice and had several posts edited....

 

Sure. They are the same thing. I also don't believe in trimming fingernails or cutting hair or removing a cancerous part of the body.

 

Sure, a medical procedure arising from and done mainly for religious or cultural reasons is the same as cutting hair or removing cancerous tissue.

 

Lower risk of UTIs, STDs, and easier hygiene.

 

That’s a Google AI answer. No definite evidence of this. There is minimal benefit and also minimal risk associated with it. Again, it’s a procedure that arose from religious and cultural beliefs. I will stop here to stop this thread from going completely off topic. I was just amused by Tilly’s remark about mental illness.

 

That's sorta the point. I am saying none of these are apples to oranges.

 

No, you said “I am sorry, normal human behavior would not desire cutting off parts or adding unnatural parts” and my point was who decided circumcision was “normal human behavior”? The answer always lies in religion.

 

"Always"? Pretty sure nowadays we do it for health reasons.

Would you be happier if I said "cutting off organs"?

 

Sure

 

It’s from the Mayo Clinic, not a random ChatGPT answer. They also list lower rates of cancer among other things.

Circumcision (male) - Mayo Clinic

 

By all sound medical standards, transgender people are not considered to be mentally ill. However, it is pretty clear to me that those folks out there who stigmatize, discriminate against, and harass, transgender people are truly mentally ill.

 

The question that should be asked in this thread are trans-service members non-deployable at a higher rate than their cis-gender counterparts. At the end of the day, that what being in the military comes down to, being able to deploy. I have not seen anything that says it one way or the other.

If these people served this amount of time, they should be getting a medical retirement if they are being pushed out for medical reasons.

I would remind everyone on here that the military members who were pushed out because they would not take the vaccine, also a medical issue, were not given medical retirements.

 

Many folks are separated for medical/disciplinary issues before their 20-year retirement. They are eligible for VA benefits and other add-ons such as separation pay, transition assistance, and educational benefits, among other things. Yet only the transgender crowd gets a tissue. The ones forced out with nothing for refusing the shots only received derision and mocking from the "compassionate" lefties on here.

Boo Hoo. The trans people get separated and believe the science crowd is offended again. Shock and surprise

 

Until 2019.

Until then, the World Health Organization considered it a mental disorder and only really changed it based on social concerns and not medical science.

 

So if the WHO considered it a mental disorder until recent times, can we stop acting like everyone who dares still think it is somehow displaying hate?

...Or was the WHO a hate organization until 2019?

 

The two aren't exactly parallel. Refusal to take the vax was a form of insubordination even if they weren't formally charged while transgender status is a medical condition especially considering that those transgender service members being discharged based solely on their status have been allowed to serve for years.

 

I’m drawing a parallel because everyone seems to want to use the military as the example of their moral stances. The Biden Admin wanted to go after the unvaccinated. The Trump Admin wants to show they are focused fighting wokeness. I’m not sure either really needs to involve the DoD.

 

However, given the choice to serve in combat with a "woke" serviceman vs an insubordinate one..... give me woke 100%.

 

The theory underlying the requirement to be vaccinated likely was to avoid spreading Covid to other people. The last I heard, people cannot catch transgenderism from other transgender people.