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Tariff Checks

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorWon, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:59 PM.

  1. gator_jo

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    You weren't really a vocal critic of Trump's bill to add $3.5 trillion to the debt for $4.5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich though, were you?
     
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  2. gator_jo

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    Don't you have your order mixed up?

    Trump has/will :

    1. Cut taxes for the rich
    2. Hope that tariff tax increases on consumers generate revenue
    3. Maybe, but probably not, pay down the debt.
     
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  3. OklahomaGator

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    I don't believe the $3.5 trillion to the debt just like I didn't believe the predictions about the tariffs causing massive inflation, which they obviously hasn't,
     
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  4. gator_jo

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    You have insight to data, and knowledge, that neither the CBO nor Joint Committee on Taxation have? They both have an updated scoring that it will add $3.4T to the debt.

    Would you please share with us why their estimates are wrong? Also, I'm pretty sure that impacts from tariffs will take more than 1-2 months to be realized.



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  5. OklahomaGator

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    The CBO used a GDP growth estimate of 1.9% to make their predictions. Just yesterday it was reported that it grew at a 3% rate for the second quarter. That kind of growth drastically reduces the projected defecit.
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    Is inflation currently increasing or decreasing?
     
  7. mdgator05

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    And it shrunk by 0.5% in the first quarter. Why would you ignore that when looking at a long-term projection? Why would you project the average growth rate only using the higher estimates?
     
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  8. coleg

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    That is a positive. Of course, remember that in the 1st qtr we saw a contraction of 0.5%. and there was this info in the report: "When it comes to assessing the strength of the economy, a more revealing number tucked into the GDP report is what is known as "final sales to private domestic purchasers," which excludes government spending, inventories and net exports. That number rose at only a 1.2% annual rate from April to May — the weakest since late 2022 and a sign that demand is weakening. "
     
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  9. dangolegators

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    The spending and investment portion of GDP only grew by 1.4%. The rest of it was skewed by Trump's tariff policies. GDP growth was -0.5% in Q1 and 3% in Q2. That's directly because we imported a lot of stuff in Q1 in anticipation of the tariffs and didn't import a lot of stuff in Q2 because of higher inventories (from Q1). We'll see what it is in Q3 after the effect of the tariffs has settled in. But it almost certain won't be as high as 3%.
     
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  10. gator_jo

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    And having seen the responses to your post, how do you feel now? Still more qualified to project US economic growth than the, uh ..... Congressional Budget Office?

    Do you also possess greater ability to forecast the US economy AND score legislation than the Joint Committee on Taxation?

    On this issue, does it seem like time to choose between either "OK, I was probably mistaken" and "I believe what i choose to believe and don't care about actual facts" ?
     
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  11. OklahomaGator

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    I might not have greater ability to score the US econony but I am probably better than 51 intelligence experts who said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. Were they correct? They were government officials compared to 3 internet posters who disagreed with me.
    The GDP was reported at 3% for the second quarter. That is greater than the 1.9% that the CBO based their estimates on. That is why I disagree with the CBO estimates.
     
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  12. Gatorrick22

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    There are other trade barriers that countries like Canada and the Europeans use against the US to keep American made products from even being sold in their countries. Japan and South Korea have never let American cars enter their nations to be sold and that's been a point of trade dispute since I can remember... before Carter.

    And Trump even explained that some of these reciprocal tariffs are calculated using these trade barriers that are NOT conventional tariffs that still cause unfair trade imbalances. Some people in the U.S. think we just don't have anything that other countries want to buy, when the truth is these countries will not let us sell certain products to them... NO MATTER WHAT.
     
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  13. gator_jo

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    Yeah, but everyone knows that when extrapolating a 10-year economic forecast based solely upon a single quarter, you should always use the most recent Q1, which was -0.5% growth. This indicates that the Trump Deficit-Funded Tax Bill will add $84 trillion to the debt.

    I am qualified to make this prediction over all economists because I totally predicted, at the start of covid, that Trump would lie about it a whole lot and cause 100s of thousands of excess deaths

    And yes, you nailed it that Hunter Biden's laptop was all rilly rilly bad n stuff ...... but I bet you were also in favor of the Iraq War. If so, that negates your ability to predict which single quarter of economic growth we use to make a 10 year forecast. :)
     
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  14. danmanne65

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    Gotta balance the budget before you start paying down the debt.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    Well, I hope for your sake that we have fairly dramatic quarterly trade distortions for the next 40 quarters then. Seems unlikely.
     
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  16. dangolegators

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    Can you tell me what Japan does to not allow American cars to enter its nation to be sold? Is it a specific government policy?
     
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  17. kygator

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    American cars can be sold in Japan. There are a variety of reasons why Japanese consumers don’t want them.
     
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  18. mdgator05

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  19. dangolegators

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    I know. Just trying to get Rick to understand that American car companies don't make cars that Japanese consumers want, unless you think Japanese folks want giant SUVs and pickup trucks. Also, with all the great Japanese-made options, there's not much reason to buy a Ford there. The reason American-made cars don't sell in Japan is entirely market-based. Nothing to do with trade restrictions.
     
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  20. wgbgator

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    Maybe we can give Japanese car buyers tariff checks too, sweeten the pot