Texas floods - Girls missing

I didn't say that non-believers were healed. I didn't even imply it. That passage doesn't say that the people healed were non-believers though I will ackowledge the possibility that they were non-believers. I will point out what I said in post #255. "That's pretty much true of all Jesus' healings." In case it wasn't clear, "pretty much" was intended to give myself some wiggle room on that point.

There isn't a passage that explicitly shows Jesus healing someone who was a non-believer. There are a large number of passages that explicitly tie belief to healing.

 

Do you believe the man at the pool was a believer?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Did he have enough faith to be healed? I would say probably, yes. It doesn't explicitly call him a non-believer.

Are you assuming that Jesus healed him in spite of unbelief? If so, what makes you think he didn't believe?

 

The Bible tells us he did not know who healed him. Taken in context with the earlier verses his faith was that the pool would do the healing. It's pretty clear to me that this man's faith was not in Jesus to that point.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Came here to offer condolences - such a terrible tragedy - and not quite sure what thread I walked into.
Not everything has to become an argument.

I was in Texas at the end of last year - loved the place. Just so, so sad.

 

Ok, that's a fair point. I could add some nuance to my position but I don't feel like investing the time and energy so, good job.

 

I apologize if this is redundant but a lot of those tragic deaths may have been avoided local officials had been willing to spend a little more money on a warning system.
Officials Feared Flood Risk to Youth Camps but Rejected Warning System

Eight years ago, in the aftermath of yet another river flood in the Texas Hill Country, officials in Kerr County debated whether more needed to be done to build a warning system along the banks of the Guadalupe River.

A series of summer camps along the river were often packed with children. For years, local officials kept them safe with a word-of-mouth system: When floodwaters started raging, upriver camp leaders warned those downriver of the water surge coming their way.

But was that enough? Officials considered supplementing the system with sirens and river gauges, along with other modern communications tools. “We can do all the water-level monitoring we want, but if we don’t get that information to the public in a timely way, then this whole thing is not worth it,” said Tom Moser, a Kerr County commissioner at the time.

In the end, little was done. When catastrophic floodwaters surged through Kerr County last week, there were no sirens or early flooding monitors. Instead, there were text alerts that came late for some residents and were dismissed or unseen by others.​

 

FEMA rejected a request to provide an emergency warning system in the flood area. The locals also chose to not pay for such a system. The warning coordination meteorologist in the Austin/San Antonio office took the early retirement offer made by the feds earlier this year, which was a critical position, and he wasn't replaced. What could go wrong?

 

Where I grew up in the Catskill Mountains in New York, there were hundreds of Jewish-oriented hotels. The Jewish people loved going to these hotels. So, why did these hotels spring up? The primary reason was because many of the other hotels at that time would not allow Jews to stay there. There's an analogy here.

 

I have to laugh at orange and bluke’s off topic of my post. You might want to look up the definition of the word, analogy. There are black colleges, black churches, etc. because white people didn’t allow black people into their places. It’s that simple.

 

So Jesus would not feed the hungry ones? Yes or no? He commanded us to do it. James 1:27 comes to mind

I didnt say anything profound. Just that he would feed and comfort, and he wouldnt use their history against them. He proved that time and time again.

 

Again heeling and feeding are not the same. He fed 5000. (Plus women and children) One would assume many of them were unbelievers hearing for the first time.

Did the adulterous woman recieve grace because she believed or did she believe because He showed grace to her?

We love him "BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US" .

 

So are you saying that when Jesus healed a man of demon possession that the man was actually a believer before the healing?

 

John 5:13 says that the man healed at the pool later said He did not know who the man was that healed him. I would say that a believer has to know who Jesus is.

It isnt until verse 15 that Jesus reconnected with the man and THEN identified Himself

 

Ask her and report back. Thanks.

 

Which "hungry ones" did you want to discuss? The ones who drowned in Texas or the ones buried under the WTC rubble?

This isn't a general discussion on Jesus' ministry. This is a specific discussion on how Jesus would handle a specific situation.

 

I'm not going to respond to each of your "unbelief" posts individually. I already had this out with Wes. The unbelief thing actually works pretty well in the narrowly focused way that I originally used it. In order to widen it beyond that, we would need to nail down some definitions and, since I don't feel like doing that, I'll just say that I probably overstated the case.