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One Big Beautiful Bill on Target for July 4

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Jun 24, 2025.

  1. Gator515151

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    For the first 68 years of my life I paid my own medical insurance, yeah now I am on medicare I think I paid for it over 45 working years. I don't feel guilty one bit about cutting medical insurance from people who want it given to them.
     
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  2. ETGator1

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    They are illegal aliens, so none unless the blue state's allow voter fraud. Hopefully, these folks will either be deported or self-deported before the 2026 elections, certainly before the 2028 presidential election.
     
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  3. Gatorrick22

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    The Parliamentarian singlehandedly turned the Big Beautiful bill into a Big Ba$tard Boondoggle blunder.
     
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  4. vaxcardinal

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    Except Medicare and Medicaid are not the same thing
     
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  5. coleg

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    It was not the Parliamentarian's fault that dumb Pub Senators don't know or understand the Senate rules. She did her job... they were too stupid to do their job.
     
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  6. coleg

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    That is a very uneducated (dumb) post as the CBO has NOT stated that the 11.8 million losing coverage are illegals, in fact 90% ARE NOT. Also wrong (intentionally?) fraud is not correlated to red/blue unless Fl. and TX have gone blue....they have high fraud and high numbers of cases. Only in ETG1's conspiracy fantasies do massive numbers of illegals vote, so the entire post was a joke. Be better.
     
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  7. sierragator

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    Perfect, let them die in the streets. Or if seeing them bothers you, perhaps ship them off to camps so you don't have to look at them.
     
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  8. Gatorrick22

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    JD Vance is the president of the Senate, and his power is written into the law. The Parliamentarian's power is strictly an advisory role, and John Thune knows that fact. He knows better...
     
  9. coleg

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    Always has been advisory and voluntary and the Senate Majority leader can also overrule the Parliamentarian.
     
  10. demosthenes

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    Exhibit #2,346 in the last week of delusional right wingers not understanding civics.
     
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  11. FutureGatorMom

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    Don't forget, we have to cut insurance to help pay for treatment too.
     
  12. GatorBen

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    The parliamentarian isn’t the reason the bill is a big hulking mess, but just wanted to be clear that the idea the parliamentarian isn’t playing politics to some degree (and requiring silly changes to the bill) isn’t really right either.

    The example 1(A) that I’ll point to is the idea that repealing the requirement to file a tax form and pay a $200 tax for making or transferring a short barreled rifle isn’t a permissible primarily budgetary provision, but changing the amount of the making and transfer tax to $0 is. The effect may ultimately be the same (Congress originally passed the law under its taxing powers, and I suspect you’ll ultimately get a legal challenge that requiring the submission of a tax form to “pay” a $0 tax isn’t a valid exercise of the taxing powers), but her rulings in that regard seem facially absurd.
     
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  13. PITBOSS

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    Big whoop - most of us acquire our own our health ins or get it thru employment.
     
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  14. ETGator1

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    The OBBB was voted out of committee and on to the floor for consideration in the house this morning:

    OBBB Makes it Out of the Rules Committee

    There has been a lot of negativisms in the house, yet Speaker Johnson finds a way to deliver. Those for the increased SALT deduction will be a yes so that is a good start. JMO, the house won't send this back to the senate which would miss the opportunity to get this signed into law on Independence Day. Thomas Massie of Kentucky will end up being the only political suicide, dead politician walking. The Freedom Caucus will moan and groan and then vote yes:

    After Tuesday’s passage of the One Big Beautiful Bill in the Senate, the House Rules Committee voted 7-6 early Wednesday morning to advance the legislation to the floor for consideration.

    The full chamber must now debate and vote to adopt the procedural rule, which could get dicey as a handful of hardline conservatives vow to oppose the effort. If the rule fails, legislative business in the House would be brought to a standstill, threatening to thwart leadership’s goal of sending President Trump the package by July 4, which is Friday.

    Republicans can only afford to lose three votes and still clear the procedural hurdle, assuming full attendance and united Democratic opposition. The House is scheduled to convene on Wednesday at 9 a.m. EDT, with debate first, then a vote.

    Two of those defectors, however, are already called for: Norman and Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), the chair of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, say they will vote against the rule on the floor — and Harris said others will join them. (The Hill)
     
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  15. OklahomaGator

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    The parliamentarian did her job. I agree with @coleg who said the Republicans were too lazy to write the bills correctly to comply with current rules. Look at the example of the change they made for medicare for Alaska. She didn't allow the original text but they amended it and it was okay then.

    I give credit to Senator Thune for abiding by her rulings and preserving the rules of the Senate. Compare that to former senator Reid who changed the rules to allow majority votes on Judges instead of the 60 vote threshold. I bet the Dems wish he would have never done that.
     
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  16. ThePlayer

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    The BBB just passed the House Rules Committee.
     
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  17. Gatorrick22

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    The added funding of Medicaid for illegal aliens and SNAP for illegal aliens should not violate the Byrd rule. Those we two of the expenses the Parliamentarian added back into the House bill, back into the Senate version of the BBB. That funding is budgetary. Can be done in a reconciliation bill.

    Republicans Revise SNAP Cut Axed By Parliamentarian
     
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  18. demosthenes

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    Do you even read what you cite?

    “Boozman said the parliamentarian’s concern was simply that the bill text, as originally drafted, which would require states with error rates above 6% to share costs starting in 2028, didn’t give states enough time to calculate their match rates.​

    “Their concern was the states didn’t have enough time to analyze the data so they can respond to it. So we’ve just come out of with a mechanism that they have a longer period,” Boozman told HuffPost on Tuesday.​

    The updated proposal would allow states to base their error rates on either fiscal 2025 or 2026 data, Boozman’s office said.​
     
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  19. VAg8r1

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    The Big Beautiful Bill
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  20. gatorrob87

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    LOL!! MAGA on here going crazy and high-fiving each other over the Big Dumb Bill that will increase the deficit, cost of living, and increase their tax burden!
    I am sure that exactly zero read it and comprehend it, but continue to spike the football when down in a 52 to 17 blow out!