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One Big Beautiful Bill on Target for July 4

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Jun 24, 2025.

  1. GatorBen

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    A historically democratic labor union, which is a subsidiary of the AFL-CIO, and which endorsed Hillary in 2016, Joe Biden in 2020, and then both Biden and Kamala in 2024, is his base?

    Someone better tell him quick!
     
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  2. gatorpa

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    Agree and like I said my one experience was from 2018 and the buyers were late 30’s ish. Didn’t seem to make a difference to them in general. Many didn’t even really understand how it worked.
    Things may be different now.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    And let's not forget this effect from the beauty of coal mining.
    The Persistent, and Rising, Threat of Black Lung Disease
    Despite being on the decline after the 1970s, the prevalence of black lung has been on the rise over the last 2 decades,1 and the federal government has issued a new rule on miners' safety.2 With changes in mining technology, miners can dig deeper, exposing them more to silica, which is highly toxic and is driving rising rates of black lung.1

    Pneumoconiosis, which encompasses the family of interstitial lung diseases—those that cause progressive scarring of lung tissue and eventually a lack of oxygen in the blood3—can result from an autoimmune condition. It can also develop after an individual has inhaled either organic or nonorganic compounds that include bird and animal droppings, cotton or other fibers, silica, asbestos, diacetyl, beryllium, and talc.3-5

    Common forms of pneumoconiosis are asbestosis, silicosis, mixed-dust pneumoconiosis, and byssinosis, and they all are considered occupational lung diseases.4-7 One of the most well-known types of pneumoconiosis and potentially the best-known occupational illness in the US8—perhaps infamous—is coal workers’ pneumoconiosis, also known as miner’s lung and black lung disease. As its eponymous name states, this subtype of pneumoconiosis results from inhalation of coal dust and is most often seen in coal miners.7 It entails both inflammation and fibrosis of the lung tissue, and cases can be simple or complicated.6
    Apparently the guy who loves coal mining really doesn't care much for coal miners:
    Trump administration proposes ditching coal mine safety protections
     
  4. gator_jo

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    Uh oh. Elon and all his govt contracts are bad now ..... because he doesn't support Trump at the moment. His contracts will be OK again once he's nice to Dear Leader.

    Convenient how that works, right MAGA?

    Trump asked if he'd deport Elon Musk: "we'll have to look"

    Trump said "DOGE is the monster that might have to go back and eat Elon," pointing to the subsidies and contracts Musk's businesses have from the federal government.
     
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  5. FutureGatorMom

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    When are we going to stop the bleeding and start paying it down?? Our leaders haven't been fiscally responsible since the 90's. $330 billion is $400 billion too much.
     
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  6. PITBOSS

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    Polls show a majority don’t want the bill. These were taken a few weeks ago, I anticipate the majorities would be larger now as people learn more of the BBB

    “A Fox News poll found that 38% of registered voters support the “One Big Beautiful Bill” based on what they know about it, while 59% oppose it.”

    It is opposed 22%-73% by independents, and 43%-53% among white men without a college degree, the heart of Trump’s base.“

    A survey from Pew Research Center found that 29% of adults favor the bill, while 49% oppose it.

    A poll by The Washington Post and Ipsos found that 23% of adults support “the budget bill changing tax, spending and Medicaid policies,” while 42% oppose it.“

    Polls show Trump's big bill is unpopular as Republicans stare down their deadline for passage
     
  7. ETGator1

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    since when do dems give a crap about what musk thinks or says? burn down every

    LOL! Just tell the folks who earn $50,000 that their taxes are going up by $2,200. As the income goes up, the tax bill will also go up. People earning $100,000 who are not rich will have their tax bills go up over $4,500.

    Democratic lawmakers who say Trump's income tax extensions are for the rich are lying, zero truth.

    Never mind that tips and overtime will continue to be taxed. I guess that is for the rich too.

    Could care less about a self-imposed deadline. If the pubs had the votes, the bill would have passed the senate already. This falls under ugly sausage making.

    In the event that this fails, each and every senator who voted no will have their noses rubbed in the above as they are being primaried for lying to their constituents.
     
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  8. PITBOSS

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    Good point. And just a reminder, the $3T over 10 yrs from trumps bbb is in addition to our already exploding debt. Our 2025 deficit is now expected to be $1.9T annually. Which is just astounding considering no pandemic, war, or 2008-esque recession. And instead of trying to reduce that deficit like good “conservatives”, maga will add to it going forward.

    Jet skies and gold chains for everyone



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    Federal debt forecast U.S. 2034| Statista
     
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  9. HeyItsMe

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    Trump’s vocab is limited to a few words - honestly beautiful might be the most advanced word he knows. This is the same man who said the Declaration of Independence was, and I quote “A declaration of unity and love.” He’s like the kid in school that didn’t read the book and just tries to BS his way through the report. Just an incredibly stupid individual, I still can’t believe he fooled enough of Americans to vote for him twice. What an embarrassing timeline we live in.
     
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  10. gatormonk

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    The bill just passed the Senate per CNBC.
     
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  11. CaptUSMCNole

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    51-50. Vance cast the tie breaking vote.

    The question is whether this version of the bill can get through the House.
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    And it still has to pass the House before Trump can sign it. Although it will probably end up being passed in the end the negotiations between the House and the Senate to reconcile the two different versions of the bill will be very contentious.
     
  13. HeyItsMe

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    I’m sure CNBC is wetting themselves over the prospect that Jeff Bezos may now get another super yacht or two.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/personal-financ...e-tax-bill-is-getting-closer-e3ea6e63?mod=mhp

    Kind of a side point I found interesting.

    “Under the Senate proposal, 88% of people 65 and over wouldn’t pay income taxes on Social Security, the White House said Monday. Currently 64% don’t pay. Neither group includes Social Security recipients 64 and below, who wouldn’t get a tax break.”


    So basically the social security tax currently is this:


    To determine if their benefits are taxable, taxpayers should take half of the Social Security money they collected during the year and add it to their other income. Other income includes pensions, wages, interest, dividends and capital gains.

    • If they are single and that total comes to more than $25,000, then part of their Social Security benefits may be taxable.
    • If they are married filing jointly, they should take half of their Social Security, plus half of their spouse's Social Security, and add that to all their combined income. If that total is more than $32,000, then part of their Social Security may be taxable.
    IRS reminds taxpayers their Social Security benefits may be taxable | Internal Revenue Service

    So if you look at this thresholds, that would mean that about 2/3 of retirees have less than $20k-$25k of other non social security income, give or take. That’s pretty grim.
     
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  15. FutureGatorMom

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    He'll put us into a recession and or war and then the democrat who succeeds him will need to spend spend spend to get us out of it again. Rinse and repeat. Maybe someone will actually figure out how to do that without spending.
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    Absolutely nothing unusual about either of these:

    US citizen threatening Congress with primaries

    US President threatening to deport US citizen

    Said US citizen in large part financed said US president
     
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  17. gator95

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    This is all I think about when it comes to Black lung...

     
  18. fwbgator

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    All I think about when it comes to Black Lung is both my Grandfathers passing away from it... But Hey, lets bring all this coal back 10fold, and make the conditions even less safe than before...
     
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  19. ETGator1

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    Yesterday, many representatives were saying the bill they sent to the senate is still 90% intact and that they would vote for it. If true, this will be on Trump's desk by Independence Day.
     
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  20. ETGator1

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    Three republicans voted no:

    1. Thom Tillis - has totally burned his bridges to the republican party. He won't be missed as he decided to retire rather than be vor=ted out of office.

    2. Rand Paul - the libertarian who doesn't want to sign anything without massive spending cuts with it. He may yet be helpful in the senate on future bills that are sure to come up to reduce spending. He can be very helpful getting DOGE saving through the senate on a consistent basis. Otherwise, he'd be on Trump's bad side which he is not, at least not that I know of. Hells bells, Rand Paul played golf with Trump last weekend.

    3. Susan Collins - I mentioned this somewhere in this thread that Collins would vote against the bill if the votes were available for senate passage. She is up for election in a tough race in a blue state. Voting no could be very helpful to her reelection. Such is life in politics.

    Voting yes was Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. She was a big delay as she was holding out for something for Alaska which I'm thinking she traded her yes to receive. I'm sure her demand will show up in the news.

    On to the house where passage is likely. The salters got what they wanted, $40K, but it will have to be renegotiated or expire in 5 years.