Gallop poll finds only 36% of dems extremely proud or very proud to be Americans

So many "libs owned"?

 

No, but I’ve enjoyed your self owning posts.
Beautiful.

 

Remember when righties used to call poll results they didn’t like “fake news?” Good times.

Now they swear by poll results again LOL

 

Yes, it is so. Trump's agenda that he ran on can't be fulfilled until the passage of the OBBB. Until that passes both house and senate and is signed by Trump, these polls are premature, worthless.

I don't care to look it up, but Biden's numbers were in the mid to upper 30s as I recall. I'm sure you don't mind brining in your boy's numbers for a comparison.

 

The irony of MAGA pride is that MAGA is based on hating what America has been for the last 80 years. You know, the most successful and productive 80-year period in human history. It's not pride, it's just fandom. Wave a flag and root, root, root!!! No thinking needed. Just emote.

 

RINOS!!!

LOL!!!

You mean the singular reason Trump's first term was considered successful (by some)?

You guys are a laugh riot!

 

We elected a convicted felon who cheated on multiple wives, tried to pay off a pornstar he cheated on his wife with, tried to overthrow an election 3 different ways, and is generally a giant douche who has caused our allies to lose faith in us.

Outside of that I'm generally proud to be an American

 

Why does this debate/thread bring the opening monologue from "The Newsroom" to mind?

 

You seem to think you know an awful lot about millions of people. Fascinating.
You ought to write a book.

 

The civil war was fought over $. Slaves were just the vehicle that enabled the conflict.

The biggest mistake the founders made was not putting together an economic check and balance into the constitution. They let Congress deal with it, but there are no guardrails.

Change should be difficult, but most of the big social constructs are dealt with, except gender identity. The problem on what and how to fund things is our biggest problem, we either need a few new amendments or a rewrite of the Constitution to fix it.

 

Why? It's right there for anyone (with eyes) to see.

 

Meh. I'm pretty sure there were bills (or talks of bills) where the slave owners would be compensated. Granted, that financial loss was a huge part of their resistance (1/2 or more of total assets in many cases), but so was the racial rationale they used for centuries to justify it. So, it was both, a potential loss of massive assets combined with a fear of . . . . (I'll let you fill in the blanks here).

That said, the ultimate irony is that the South was fighting for the very thing (Slave Economy) that insured they never had a chance to win that war.

 

Wrong, it's what America has become in the last 105 years since Woodrow Wilson.

The US has become an authoritarian democracy under the democrats in that time, including the imperial judiciary to help the democrats rule even when they don't own the WH. Justice Barrett mentioned the imperial judiciary in her majority remarks last week. Justice Alito wrote that these imperial jurists won't go way or change so America must continue to be on guard.

Trump is and has been the biggest threat to democrat rule since he came down the golden escalator in 2015. Those elected and unelected folks ruling the country have done everything possible to put Trump away, even 2 attempted assassinations.

The perfect example of this was Justice Elena Kagan just last week voting not to end district federal judges' power to make nationwide "universal" injunctions. In 2022, she made the case to end these nationwide injunctions on clear constitutional grounds. Besides her proving herself to be a damnable hypocrite sitting on the SCOTUS, what changed? I'll answer for you, Donald Trump is what changed.

Authoritarian democracy is what you are proud of. This may be the biggest piece of the puzzle for why so many democrats like yourself are incapable of being patriotic. Sadly, you'd have to buy a clue to see the big picture.

 

The irony is that not much has changed. Our country still has people of wealth that don't want to give it up in exchange for basic items like healthcare. Now they pay you, but dictate how you live and what your allowed to do. I'm not comparing how people were treated in 1860 vs today, just saying that we have a long, long way to go and if you really look at it from a macro level, it really isn't much different. The 1% had too much power then and they have more power now.

 

Marxism/communism at its finest. The bourgeois has too much money and power. Workers of the world unite!!!!!

To hell with capitalism. Just over the weekend that communist running for NYC mayor said billionaires have no right to exist. If elected and I hope he isn't, NYC will have a communist mayor just like Chicago.

 

Not a fan of Mamdani and if I was a resident of NYC I would probably hold my nose and vote for Eric Adams the sleazy crooked incumbent. That being said that last time NYC had a (by your definition) communist mayor, Bill De Blasio its economy did quite well with unemployment rate dropping from 7.3% when he took office 2014 to 4.0% the last quarter of 2019. The city's economy tanked in 2020 as a result of the Covid pandemic although no worse than the economy of the US has a whole.

 

Who are the parents of these knuckleheads? Should anyone be surprised that Boomers and Gen X are gleefully patriotic while the downward generations are sucked economically and have less belief in the system?


“Only about 4 in 10 U.S. adults who are part of Generation Z, which is defined as those born from 1997 to 2012, expressed a high level of pride in being American in Gallup surveys conducted in the past five years, on average. That's compared with about 6 in 10 Millennials — those born between 1980 and 1996 — and at least 7 in 10 U.S. adults in older generations.”

 

You need some Xanax or something. First of all, we dont live in a capitalist society. True capitalism is not possible when the govt chooses who gets bailed out (or not). We have at best a cronyism system that resembles capitalism for the rich. Everyone else is here to do their bidding.

 

I’m an American, but definitely less proud to be one than I used to be. I grew up, head held high, knowing that the United States was a beacon of freedom, a place where opportunity rested on will, sweat, determination and perseverance. A place where equality was fought for. A place where integrity mattered. A place that valued truth above all else.

We are not that place anymore. We can fingerpoint, and we can blame, and we can curse and we can pretend to be right, but we are a nation in conflict over our very identity.

 

Take capitalism away and you'd quickly find the US has a capitalist system at its core.

The rest is just more Marxist/communist jargon.

If that is the type of country you believe will fulfill your desires, you don't have to fight the civil war here that it would take to achieve it. Have you considered you'd be more proud, patriotic, living in other countries that meet your desires: China, Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Iran if you aren't gay, Venezuela, and most anywhere outside of the US in Canada and Europe where socialism is their system and free speech is no longer tolerated. Help yourself as the world is your oyster.