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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. CaptUSMCNole

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  2. demosthenes

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    Looks like an anvil storm cloud to me.
     
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  3. homer

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    Rut roh
     
  4. chemgator

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    Looks like the Starship Enterprise is using its cloud-cloaking device it got from the Romulans again.
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    That Russia has returned over 6,000 bodies to Ukraine, and received back 27, is an indication of how the war is going.
     
  6. CaptUSMCNole

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    Sure it is and the Russians will take Kyiv any day now.
     
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  7. uftaipan

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    Naw, man, that was just, like, a feint, remember?
     
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  8. CaptUSMCNole

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    This has to be painful for some folks here to read:
     
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  10. slayerxing

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    im sure denial will prevent this from penetrating
     
  11. PITBOSS

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    Good point. Now Iran seems on an island, by themselves. Imagine if Russia was more powerful, aggressive and supplying them with armaments - Iran with more effective air defenses.
     
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  12. demosthenes

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    So much information and misinformation out there. I saw Russia has lost one million, Ukraine a half million. Who knows?
     
  16. uftaipan

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    Well, there's that "lost" language again. Whenever you hear a figure of around a million these days, it is probably a reference to Russian casualties, not killed in action. Casualties, of course, is a more wholistic figure that tends to encompass killed, wounded, missing, and captured. As I have indicated previously, casualties are not quite as useful a figure simply because it is hard to agree on what wounded is and what it isn't, people can be wounded more than once, people can be wounded and returned to duty, people can be wounded and later die, and so on. For strictly having a measure of performance, I think killed in action is a far more useful figure. That estimate for Russian killed in action is anywhere between 250,000 and 300,000, which is still a wide margin of error but staggering even on the low end. For context, all U.S. killed in all wars combined from 1946 to the present is under 110,000.
     
  17. exiledgator

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    Russians are just built different. 100K dead a year and they just soldier on.
     
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  18. uftaipan

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    That’s what they would have you believe, sure. But then again if that’s true, why take all of these measures to lie and hide the numbers of their dead from their own people?
     
  19. exiledgator

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    Fair. Nonetheless, the families and friends of those 300k know and haven't caused a stink.
     
  20. uftaipan

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    Well, not that we know of yet. But the deception/mitigation plan includes such measures as making some families think their soldiers are not dead but merely missing or deserted; that there are not so many families out there like theirs so they do not try to network; that their soldier died of noncombat-related causes (Belarus is some of the most dangerous training ground in the world by the way); and, of course, keeping the conscription away from Moscow and St. Petersburg, where these measures would be far, far less effective when the bodies started coming home. If the Russian government was really as fearless of its vastly resilient people as it would have us believe, then these measures would be wholly unnecessary.
     
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