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Judge Orders Control of NG Returned to Newsome -that was quick Federal Judge reverses that order

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncargat1, Jun 12, 2025 at 11:26 PM.

  1. ncargat1

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    Can't wait for the California National Guard to face off against the United States Marine Corps. Really love how the Grifter-in-Chief has brought our country together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/us/la-protests-trump-marines-ice
     
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    I'm sure the judge is a commie America hater and that Trump will appeal it to his homies on the scotus.
     
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  4. uftaipan

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    Did you really think that a district judge’s word was going to be the end of the matter, whichever way it went? Of course, it was going to be appealed and would have been by the Governor if it had gone the other way. This is not “over” until the Supreme Court rules or one side quits, and neither side is going to quit.
     
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    From the description of attorneys/commentators who have actually read it the opinion of the District Court is very well reasoned relying essentially on the definition of the terms in the statute primarily that of "rebellion" that Trump is using as the basis for the federalization of the National Guard. That being said it's a virtual certainty that the Supreme Court will review the case on an expedited basis and based on it's history of deferring to Trump will uphold his federalization of the Guard in a 6-3 or 5-4 decision. No way will the Donald's personal SCOTUS will affirm the original decision no matter how well reasoned.
     
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  6. ncargat1

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    It will be "over" in the sense that by the time this reaches the Supreme Court, there will not be a reason for the National Guard to be deployed, even if you believe that there was one in the first place. Now, if they just send the Marines back to where they belong, we can let downtown LA start to cool off.

    Trump is being destroyed in the court of public opinion after all of these stunts. The Coward-in-Chief is going to have to issue and order to stand down these raids or some of his core constituency, corporate farms and the high end service industry will begin to falter and he knows it. He made his big show. He was wrong to do it and everyone understands that too, but now, it is time to fold like the human lawn chair he is.
     
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  7. uftaipan

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    That is all possible. But in the mean time, this is playing out in an actual court. Odds are, the President wins in the appeals court, and if he does my (admittedly forlorn) hope is that he takes the victory, goes back to the governor, and comes to a solution that both can live with. You know, like adults with incredible power are supposed to do. It is in the interest of all for this never to go to the Suprene Court because both men came out of their trenches and reached an understanding on the major points each could find satisfactory.
     
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    I agree although expecting Trump to act like an adult is truly wishful thinking. If he does it may be the first time.
     
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    I don't know enough about the legal positions, but I will concede that the President wins the appeal.

    I do not believe that this is ever going to happen. Whomever it is pulling the strings for Trump has completely discarded all decorum and precedents for cooperation between the White House and, well, really anyone. At the same time, Newsome is setting himself up for a run and his advisors/handlers will not let him show weakness to Trump either.

    The best outcome is that the inevitable outcome comes sooner rather than later.

    1. Trump (and string pullers) are afraid of losing the mid-terms from corporate agriculture companies and service companies withholding support for Republicans. The Agro money is already in the grill of the White House over the endless stream of stupidity flying out of the mouth of RFK. Losing their cheap, well trained labor will be the last straw.
    2. Trump must rescind the order for the aggressive ICE raids 1) to keep the votes 2) before someone takes a shot at these unlabeled "ICE" agents, ie conscripts and all Hell really breaks loose.
    3. If this happens quickly, the air can be let out of the LA bubble and any need for squabbling over control of the National Guard goes away.
     
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    You are 100% correct, but that is still not the full picture. I am told by people close to the governor that he, too, has had some off-ramps where he could have been the bigger man and come away with most of what he wanted but preferred to grandstand. To diffuse the situation he will also have to humble himself and subordinate his future presidential ambitions to the public interest. I’m not willing to bet on that any more than I’m willing to bet on Trump stepping back in with Lincolnesque wisdom and letting the governor up easy after a victory in court.
     
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    Well, no … but the Supreme Court can make a decision that makes one side or the other wail and gnash its teeth that the Constitution has been overturned, which is not precisely same thing.
     
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    I’d be curious what those off-ramps were. Newsom was on the Nyt daily podcast the other day. He said prior to the deployment he spoke with Trump, it was very cordial and there was no mention of deploying the national guard. Literally hours later Trump deployed the national guard. Then later Trump said he and Newsom discussed it, when they actually didn’t. So either Trump is lying or he literally didn’t remember. I have no reason to disbelieve what Newsom was saying - he was pretty emphatic about it.

    What was most interesting was some of the guardsman were police, so they were not available to do their job. Some of them were moved away from positions on the border. Then once deployed the LAPD had to go protect the guard from protesters, vs deal with protesters elsewhere.
     
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    When, as just one example, ICE comes into the Los Angeles area and arrests 2 parents who have been living in the United States for over 20 years, and leaves a sixth grade boy on his own, what is the off ramp for the governor?
     
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    To let ICE do their job enforcing the law on the books. Then hold a press conference highlighting how those two parents broke no law in the US, other than entering illegally, during their 20 years living in the US and all the social and economic benefit they, and people like them, provided to California and the United States. The jobs they created, the impact to their community they had, and why the DHS has to focus on the illegal immigrants that have committed crimes versus the law abiding ones.
     
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    Man your conspiracies are becoming too much…
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    They are both acting like giant twats. But instead of getting called out, everyone chooses a side.