Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

Dude you jumped all over the page.
I think you could have just said I agree with you…
Not everyone would ever need to riot.
And congrats on your exaggeration. Nice.

 

Well, his statement implies either that farm workers are quitting even though they're legal because they're afraid of getting swept up by ICE, or that businesses are being hurt because of the loss of undocumented labor. So the changes are either going to be in how ICE is conducting their raids (an admission they've been doing it poorly) or allowing undocumented workers to stay. That's without even accounting for the possibility of legal immigrants being detained.

So here are your options.
1. What ICE has been doing has been poor execution at best, illegal at worst, and is hurting American business.
2. Undocumented immigrants with a work history and no criminal record can be allowed to stay in the US.
3. President Trump is wrong.

Tell me which one is the case.

 

I would go with option 4.... ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!!

 

Do these idiots put even the tiniest bit of thought into their policies before implementing them like a wrecking ball? It's not as if this was an unforseen possibility.

 

You have to understand the GOP is a coalition of plain old racist guys who are racist as a matter of principle over anything else and business guys, who are also pretty racist, but enjoy making money with cheap labor more than their side hobby of racism. And then you have Trump who sort of plays one against the other when things go wrong or he senses something they are doing is a loser.

 

Lol

 

For a crunchy shell, you can't beat ground beef but for a soft TACO, I love shredded chicken.

 

If that’s the case storm the bastille. Whatever I’m all for that if that’s what’s happening. Instead we have petty vandalism and in some cases looting. Lighting a car on fire isn’t freeing one’s family. It’s performative and not helpful. It shifts the focus from your cause to your actions. I know activists see it differently. I’ve had this argument with people a lot. But you really think having a dust up in the streets of LA is going to get people released from custody?

 

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Its neither helpful or hurtful to the cause, so don't lose any sleep over it, and you don't need to praise or condemn it. There has never been a perfect, orderly protest and there never will be one. If you don't like disorder of any kind, I don't know how we are going to achieve the country I know you want. There are always going to be tourists, troublemakers, plants, narcs, infiltrators in any kind of large gathering. Outside those bad faith people, many of the well intentioned ones have no training & experience, and when cops become aggressive, people's defense instincts kick in. Non-violent resistance is ideal, but that takes a great deal of training and discipline to perfect. Its not normal to take a beating, to stay calm if you are being kettled or pepper-sprayed. Of course if you do all that training, then you get right-wingers calling them trained agitators. Its always going to be a lose-lose if you are trying to do the right thing by them. No one is going to be impressed into supporting something they oppose.

 

Isn’t Billy Napier short on linebackers ?

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I’ve been involved with protests and activism. I’ve seen police incite, I’ve seen protestors screw up etc. ive never seen violent protest accomplish anything but divert time and resources from important causes. I’ve seen well organized protests accomplish plenty. So we’ll just have to agree to disagree that somehow violent protests is an essential part of democracy. Protest is essential, lighting other people’s stuff on fire, stealing, etc is not - unless we are moving from protest to something else entirely.

 

I dont know what you are calling a 'violent' protest ... If 1 out of 100 people does vandalism they are going to call it violent. If the majority of protestors stay cool and one guy lights a trash can on fire, they are going call it violent. The first protest I ever learned about was some colonists breaking into a ship and destroying state property, and that is central to American democratic mythology. I would agree that democracy and violence don't mix, but to achieve or defend democracy, some things will probably get broken. That's always been the case.

 

Unfortunately yeah - one guy lights a fire and it makes the whole protest look like an out of control mob. It is what it is. The goal of protest is to bring attention to an issue. Once you make it about the protest itself you’ve lost. The Boston tea party was all about bringing attention to an issue - and although we worship that event now as uniquely American it doesn’t mean all protests are similar. Furthermore - if your opposition is actively looking for excuses you should do your best as organizers to limit extraneous criminal activity at your protest. All they are doing is giving trump more and more ammunition to declare a state of emergency.

 

C'mon. You can bring attention to an issue by writing about it, giving a speech, or putting up a sign. Those colonists could have done that instead to simply "raise awareness." You can talk about the abuses of ICE without trying to block the entrance to a detention facility too. The intent of the Tea Party and that theoretical anti-ICE action is to create a confrontation, force the states hand by hitting at material things, preventing it from carrying out its functions. If they had just given a nice speech about how bad the East India Company was, we'd probably just be Canada lol. Its like striking vs. asking nicely for better working conditions from your boss. Sometimes, your body is the only leverage you have, and some people are willing to put it on the line.

I dont remember the 2020 protests working in Trumps favor, he lost the election. So I dont know why the assumption that this automatically helps him.

 

If Governor Abbot did it, fine. The problem in LA was Trump big-footing it over everything. Anyone who favors state's rights and reduced federal influence must be appalled.

 

Don’t mess around in my former Brevard County. This is Wyatt Earp stuff

 

Wow, a peaceful demonstration. No burning vehicles, no throwing of concrete chunks, no vandalism, no looting...
Even carrying American flags!

 

What cause do you think they are in support of in this video?