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UF presidential search is getting underway (U Michigan prez is the sole candidate) update- merged

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Oct 29, 2024.

  1. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Its kinda interesting that he refers to himself in the third person in his letter
     
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  2. G8R92

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    Reading between the tea leaves, seems like he doesn't expect to be around much longer.

    EDIT: I see his term expires in 7 months anyway...
     
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  3. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Friday news dump?
     
  4. shelbygt350

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    Are you saying that the Ohio woman was "not" discriminated against for being a white heterosexual? If so, then USSC would not have sent it back? Read the words the USSC wrote. Technically, it was sent back, but with the opinion that a person in a "majority", as she is portrayed, should not be discriminated against.

    False? Exactly how so? What is false about no diversity of ideas? What is false about "equal outcomes"?

    What is Hypocritical? That's a word throw out these days to rebut, like racism or ---phobic, but lacks substance. Ditto the word "hero".
     
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  5. shelbygt350

    shelbygt350 VIP Member

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    To quote USSC Judge K Brown Jackson: Congress left no room for courts to impose special requirements on majority group (the woman plaintiff in this case) plaintiffs alone. To quote NPR: The lower court's higher standard was inconsistent w/ title VII of CR Act of 1964 which bars sex discrimination in the workplace.

    If Ohio woman didn't "win" at USSC, then I guess NPR's headline of her win was wrong.
     
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  6. GatorRade

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    Right here
    Washington clearly understood this too. Still, I think it must be the case that an American holding slaves today is seen as a worse person than an American in the 1700s.
     
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  7. G8tas

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    New College - Corcoran (no higher ed leadership exp)
    UF - Sasse (only small school exp)
    FIU - Nunez (no higher ed leadership exp)
    FAMU - Johnson (cable company lobbyist)
    SF State College - Hawkins (no advanced degree)
    Desantis tried to give Randy Fine the FAU job because they wanted him out of Tallahassee
    UF - Ono probably lost the job because a politician with no exp wants it

    Why is this acceptable even for MAGA? Even if you wanted people to stop the "radical left wing DEI transgender wokeism" wouldn't you want people with higher ed leadership exp?
     
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  8. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Taking down a statue has no material affect on people's lives, DEI is a hot button because there are material outcomes, real or perceived at stake. Its no coincidence that the most notable affirmative action court cases typically involve elite institutions. For all their assault on education, they do intuitively understand that these places are gateways into the ruling class or material comfort.
     
  9. SotaGator

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    Wondering if he is opting out of the search process to instead spearhead the Jax campus project, on behalf of the administration. He is a developer after all.
    I have feelers out but so far not hearing much other than the reports from yesterday's Trustees meeting.
     
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  10. gator_lawyer

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    I'm saying she hasn't proven that yet. This SCOTUS opinion determined the proper standard. She'll now need to prove her case under that standard. She lost under the heightened (but wrong) standard. Will she win under this standard? That remains to be seen. We agree that companies should not discriminate against people in majority groups. (Although, I imagine we have some disagreements on the application of that idea.)
    What is false is your commitment to diversity of ideas. You support refusing to hire a highly qualified person because he once believed in an idea you oppose.

    What is false is your claim that equity is about equality of outcomes. It's about equality of opportunity.
    Hypocritical is preaching about your support for "diversity of ideas" while you support a government that refused to hire Santa Ono because his past views were different from your own, a government that has spent the past few years suppressing ideas it disfavors at universities, and a federal government that is punishing people and institutions for offering opinions it dislikes. Practice what you preach.
    She "won" in the sense that she got her dismissal overturned. She did not "win" in the sense that SCOTUS ruled she proved discrimination. That still needs to be determined by the lower court.
     
  11. staticgator

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    I think Mori is probably a Jeb Bush Republican- he’s in it for the tax cuts and business friendly regulations. He’s not an ideologue. He actually values qualified people and not sycophants.
     
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  12. GatorBen

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    My reading of the weird third-person reference is that it seemed likely to be a typo by whatever comms person put the letter together and is probably supposed to say Santa Ono.

    Not really. There are a number of us who both support the governor and are deeply disappointed in the BOG. It’s primarily only Democrats who have equated the two here, and I’ve done my best to explain to you why that’s a mistake. He failed the BOG vote because there are a number of members trying to ensure a potential Governor Donalds (who called for Ono to not be confirmed) reappoints them when their term expires and because Trump world decided to weigh in, not because current Governor DeSantis (who didn’t call for that, and at least some of whose senior staff were supposedly calling BOG members to ask them to confirm) wanted them to vote that way.
     
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  13. g8orbill

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    While it may be a sad state of affairs- this is how our system works.
     
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  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Agree.
    And if ono hadn’t been 30 million deep into DEI at UM, placed trendy pronouns after his name…he just might have been able to become the next UF president.
    Hope he has learned from his past.
     
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  15. gtr2x

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    Or more accurately "doesn't work".
     
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  16. gator_lawyer

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    Let's be clear, though, DeSantis is at fault for stacking the BOG with politicians and ideologues who would pull this shit. He could have chosen people who cared more about higher education than partisan stunts. So if DeSantis opposed this, it's the monster he created coming back to bite him. Hell, he put Paul Renner on the BOG only a few months ago. The same Paul Renner who was one of the clowns leading this circus (after he sought the UF presidency and was rebuffed). I don't know whether DeSantis was working for or against Ono, but I do know that he, more than anyone, is responsible for this circus.

    And if you've been supporting the Governor in all of his culture warring against higher education in Florida, you need to think hard about the long-term impacts of your politics.
     
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  17. VAg8r1

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    She "won" in the sense that she doesn't have to meet a higher standard of proof to establish discrimination. Her case has yet to be heard on its merits. She may or may not win but she has yet to establish that she was actually a victim of discrimination.
     
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