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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

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    Resorting? I’m not sure there is anything new going on here since they realized the best their “precision” munitions could guarantee was +\- 1000m of a target in February 2022.
     
  2. PITBOSS

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    We’ve seen 1st person drone attacks that they can pilot to the hit right on target.

    “A Russian drone hit a bus evacuating civilians from a front-line area in Ukraine's northeastern Sumy region”
     
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  3. uftaipan

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    I don’t dispute the direct hit. I challenge whether the bus was being targeted or not. When it comes to the Russians, I have learned to never attribute to malevolence what can more easily be explained by incompetence. Perhaps it’s my Western bias, but I see no value whatsoever in killing a bunch of civilians who are already trying to leave the battle area. No, not even the idea of “terrifying the populace” can explain it, since history says you just end up galvanizing popular support against you. Therefore, I have to conclude this was yet another mistake brought on by a combination of technical obsolescence, indiscipline, and unprofessionalism.
     
  4. demosthenes

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    If it was a FPV drone then they absolutely intended to hit the bus. I’ve seen enough drone footage from both sides to know there is zero chance it wasn’t the intended target of an FPV.

    Now, whether they plausibly thought it was a bus carrying military personnel I can’t say.
     
  5. uftaipan

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    Indiscipline and lack of professionalism in the targeting process could just as easily explain the situation. I mean, of course, if you were one of the poor refugees on the bus, then it doesn’t make it a bit of difference whether it was incompetence or malevolence, does it?
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    I’ve been waiting to come out with this. But now is as good a time as any …

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  7. JustaGator

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    He sure sold a bunch of gumps that the war would be over in a day so he could win an election!

    It's like everything else related to Trump - an ignoramus leading other ignorant people at a painful, glacial pace into what the rest of us know as "reality".

    Their simplistic and yet conspiracy-laden worldviews just confound this "reality" that is!
     
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  8. PITBOSS

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  10. coleg

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    Certainly is not a defined peace or ceasefire or even a declared time to meet. So nothing ... zero. Is it day two yet and Dear Leader has solved this war? Likely there's a chosen location for the Moscow Trump tower though.
     
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  11. gator_jo

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  12. g8orbill

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    obviously he was wrong - I know you love to trot out he lied he lied- a lot of stuff gets said during the election season that does not always end up happening - not a lie just ended up being wrong
     
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  13. demosthenes

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    Ah, so the claim now is it’s election puffery.
     
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  14. gator_jo

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    Looks like Trump's giving up on bringing this war to a close. I really thought he'd settle it on Day 1.

    #TheArtOfTheElectionCampaignLie

    Trump Backs Off His Demand That Russia Declare a Cease-Fire in Ukraine

    President Trump once vowed to broker peace between Russia and Ukraine in 24 hours. Now he says the two sides should work it out themselves.
     
  15. uftaipan

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    Do you not remember already making that joke? In fact, I’m pretty sure you already made it two posts to the north of this one.
     
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    Broken records are tossed in the trash.
     
  17. rivergator

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    Trump’s New Position on the War in Ukraine: Not My Problem
    In a reversal, President Trump appears to have backed off joining a European push for new sanctions on Russia, seemingly eager to move on to doing business deals with it.

    Trump’s New Position on the War in Ukraine: Not My Problem
     
  18. chemgator

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    He did settle it. He gave up on Day 1. To him, that settles it. Just decide that it's someone else's problem and say "Who knew that negotiating peace between two countries at war could be so difficult?"
     
  19. PITBOSS

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    Regardless, US aid will stop when the funding bill is out of funds. There was roughly $4B left when Trump took over. When that’s out - it stops. Like it did early last year when maga congress delayed it, which significantly hurt Ukraine. Ukraine is in a much better position - but not there yet. Hopefully EU is ready to step up and we continue with logistic/intelligence support.
     
  20. PITBOSS

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    Quayle made a good point.

    “I do not understand Trump’s affinity for Putin and why he has not demanded anything here, all he wants to do as president is deals ... So, if you’re a dealmaker, what do you need? Leverage. What leverage is he trying to put on Putin? Zero. Absolutely zero”.
     
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