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Who Needs Science - NSF Being Dismantled

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Norcaligator, May 10, 2025 at 7:51 PM.

  1. SotaGator

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    Bill - we're all waiting with great anticipation for you to specify exactly what "damaging" action under the Biden administration equals gutting such a valuable agency as NSF. Is dismantling health, safety, education, research and innovation really what you stand for? What you voted for?

    Oh and btw, the President DOES NOT have constitutional power to dissolve or greatly alter an agency created by Congress.
     
  2. vaxcardinal

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    So if the president doesn’t have the constitutional power to do this, why all the outrage?
     
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  3. vegasfox

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    True. Your post inspired me to see what the Biden administration had done to the NSF, which some of us already assumed was corrupt and leftist in orientation:


    November 07, 2024
    Legal Team With Ties to Trump Investigating NSF’s ‘Leftist Ideology’
    By Kathryn Palmer
    America First Legal Foundation, a nonprofit run by former members of President-elect Donald Trump’s first administration, is suing the National Science Foundation for records related to the agency’s prioritization of diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives.

    According to AFL’s lawsuit, the NSF received the records request in 2023 but has failed to produce them in a timely manner, an alleged violation of the Freedom of Information Act.

    The suit, filed Oct. 30 in federal court, comes after Senator Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican and ranking member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, published a report accusing the Biden-Harris administration of politicizing science.

    The report claims that since Biden took office in 2021, the NSF has awarded more than $2 billion in federal funding to thousands of scientific research projects that promoted DEI or “pushed neo-Marxist perspectives about enduring class struggle,” with such awards allegedly growing from 0.29 percent of all new grants in 2021 to 27 percent by 2024.
    America First Legal investigating NSF's "leftist ideology"

    Government bureaucracies tend to be corrupt. There will always be more problems than money to solve them. Spending money inefficiently on leftist causes is not the way to go. Sometimes you need to clean house and restructure.
     
  4. rivergator

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    Because if an extreme group claims it in a lawsuit, it must be true?
     
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  5. GatorRade

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    For sure that is true. Diversity, misinformation, climate change, among others have all received attention. My friends were even warned not to use the term “biodiversity” in their proposal to study reefs. Biodiversity. One of the core concepts of ecological science.
     
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  6. slocala

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    I briefly skimmed the 2023 NIF’s grants by State, and it is clear that the Blue team academic institutions and hubs for more research oriented universities are getting, on balance, more of the grant. So, this is a case of “hurt your brother to make you feel better about yourself”.

    the tagline for me is how the swing states react.

    Blue Team
    California 1,074m
    Massachusetts $572m
    NY $576m
    Illinois $356m
    Colorado $348m
    DC $327m

    Red Team
    Texas $497m
    Florida $274m
    Ohio $241m

    Swing States
    Arizona $329m
    Pennsylvania $320m
    Michigan $262m
    North Carolina $222m
    Georgia $208m
    Wisconsin $144m
    Nevada $43m


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  7. vegasfox

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  9. vegasfox

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    America First Legal Foundation is run by Stephen Miller. Both trigger liberals but are they really extremist?
     
  10. ncargat1

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    So, why didn't Trump do something about it? Why did it take an executive order from Biden to put a stop to it?

    If we set aside your fascist propaganda for a second and look at the facts:

    1. NSF only provided ~ $5M in funding. The remainder of the funds were provided by DARPA, ONR and the Army directly. Why no oversight at the Pentagon?

    2. Almost all of the funding in question was granted BEFORE 2020. Why wasn't this outrageous behavior stopped by Trump??

    3. This guy had published his intention to retire nearly a decade early and move back to China and start an AI Research Center, yet the US military kept funding him and presidents including Obama and Trump kept right on letting it happen??

    But yes, we should definitely destroy the NSF because the military funded a Chinese born researcher who worked for a US university for many years.

    Exclusive: U.S. Gave $30 Million to Top Chinese Scientist Leading AI Race
     
  11. ncargat1

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    It is a hate group, led by a racist so evil he would make the Austrian born German Chancellor cringe.
     
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  12. vegasfox

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    Do you think Muslim immigration to Europe has been good for London, France, Denmark, Sweden etc? Imagine if you had to answer that question and then take a polygraph, and if you lied you'd be executed. I can't say for sure how you'd answer but I know what answer I'd bet on.
     
  13. G8tas

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    Muslims have been in Europe for hundreds of years so I'm not sure what your goal is with this question
     
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    Trump is making our country dumber and weaker.
     
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    All those education science research grants are poppycock!

    Alternatively, can we have a separate forum for like six people so the ying and yang can play out in private ;) ymmv
     
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  18. ncargat1

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    He/She is a attempting to feign some intellectual superiority not in evdience while waiting for his Russian new Bot to tell him/her what the next great Trump accomplishment is.
     
  19. gatordavisl

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    Cutting . . . critical thought and innovation . . . brilliant!
     
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  20. Gatorrick22

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    How many genders are there? Can they settle that stupidity?
     
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