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Is the US equipped for democracy?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, May 23, 2024.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Putin is smiling. Djt is best investment he ever made
     
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  2. Gatorrick22

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    That would be no and hail no, WE ARE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC... Too former free market society that is not socialist stated out and "democracies" and that is NOT what the U.S.A. is.

    The Nazis were Democratic Socialists and look where they ended up... DEAD AND BURIED like they should be.
     
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  3. mdgator05

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    No, they were not Democratic Socialist. They literally murdered Democratic Socialists in Nazi Germany. The SPD was banned in 1933 until the end of the war.
     
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  4. VAg8r1

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    Although the Nazis called their party the National Socialist Party, they were socialist in name only and it wasn't remotely Democratic. The German economic system under the Nazis can best be described as crony capitalism.
     
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  5. channingcrowderhungry

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    Even better is the actual socialists in WW2 were our allies. Russia.
     
  6. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    I suspect people might have been more informed 20-30 years ago. I don't know if it's true that liberals took over the school system then.
    But I suspect people being so misinformed is due to the growth of multiple 'media' sources, many pushing an extremely slanted if not completely dishonest view of the news. Not to mention the tragic decline of newspapers.

    And, yes, I think partisanship has had a huge impact. How many times did conservatives claim here that Trump has resuscitated the terrible economy we had under Obama?
    How many Republicans believed that unemployment went up under Obama?
     
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  7. dangolegators

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    Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

     
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  8. gatorjo

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    Ah yes. Roughly half of the American public's embrace of fake news, lack of information, and a lying criminal con man is actually because......

    .......wait for it.......

    ......liberals took over the education system. And this actually happened about 20-30 years ago. Next, quoted poster will inform us about how schools are all turning kids gay, perhaps. :)
     
  9. dangolegators

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    Saying we're not a democracy, we're a republic, is like saying the Gators don't play sports, they play football. It's idiotic, yet we see it from right-wingers every time a thread about democracy comes up.
     
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  10. AgingGator

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    If you’re seeing, idiocy, step away from the mirror. It might help your anger issues as well! Good luck.
     
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  11. citygator

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    I don’t think it is education. However you can’t defund the schools and call that their fault.
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    The definition of a democracy from the Oxford dictionary:
    "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."
    The latter sounds like an accurate description of the government of the US under the Constitution. Being a Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive. A government through elected representatives in which virtually every citizen (with a limited number of exceptions) has the right to vote can accurately be referred to as a democracy. By the way the USSR, the People's Republic of China and the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea (North Korea) are (or were in the case of the USSR) all Republics.
     
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  13. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    Charlotte
    I don’t mean to offend but what exactly is your point? Voting takes an informed public. That is why some of the founders tried restricting it to wealthy land owners. A better solution than restricting people who vote is building a culture of curiosity.

    John Adams advocating for restrictions:

    Vindicating the Founders: Document Library: John Adams to James Sullivan
     
  14. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    Charlotte
    Contribute to the discussion or step away. There should be concern by everyone that so many are utterly ignorant of basic facts.
     
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  15. BLING

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    I’ve seen concerning data points on younger generations, but I wouldn’t be so quick to blame schools. Schools don’t teach “current events”.

    I’d often notice older Americans - including posters here, would rail about the lack of civics education… before demonstrating a total lack of understanding about our system of govt themselves. Seems like for many, their civics education either didn’t stick or it was lost to decades of mental deterioration.

    Clearly it’s a huge issue where people are getting their news from. Saw that huge numbers of young people are getting their “newz” from TikTok. That’s just as, if not more concerning, than the 70 year olds zombified by Fox News.
     
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  16. l_boy

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    Coummunist East Germany was “the German democractic republic”. North Korea is the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”. The notion that these names actually represented their governance is asinine.

    I wonder what drives these “we are not a democracy we are a republic” hissy fits. Is it one word sounds like Democrat (BAD!) and one word sounds like Republican (Good!)? The use of the word Democracy is generally and broadly applied to governments that are elected by the people, which includes Republics. For some reason that generalization is offensive to those on the right, but at the same time they will use Democratic socialism, socialism, communism, fascism and autocracy interchangeably.
     
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  17. citygator

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    Deflection of anti-democratic activities? If we are not a democracy then anti-democratic activities like disenfranchisement of voters and gerrymandering isnt really that wrong - It’s the will of the founders!
     
  18. l_boy

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    It’s an odd stance these days for them. One argument for a republic vs a pure democracy is that mob rule will ensue and you need more qualified representatives to make decisions. But seems like they would be “elites” and therefore are automatically bad.
     
  19. AgingGator

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    With most coming from the left
     
  20. rivergator

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    I don't think that's fair. He has contributed who/what he thinks is to blame: Liberals, teachers, DEI, CRT ...
     
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