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Haley to announce presidential run

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Feb 1, 2023.

  1. WarDamnGator

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    Well, now that you put it that way, he's obviously just another "I held my nose and voted for Trump" guy ...
     
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  2. Gator715

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    Okay, so anybody who enthusiastically liked him is unreasonable?
     
  3. WarDamnGator

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    Enthusiastically liking him, supporting his ideas, buying MAGA clothes = MAGA, in my opinion.
     
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  4. l_boy

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    I think their support for him (Trump) was unreasonable. It was obvious from prior to his 2016 campaign he wasn’t fit to president. I do know some otherwise reasonable people who supported him for various reasons.
     
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  6. duchen

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    No it isn’t. It is their belief system on display for everyone to see. I identified specific actions and statements that are far right from Haley, DeSantis and Trump. Mainstream GOP. The three leading candidates for president. And we get generalities like Dems have moved to tor far left. No. As the GOP keeps moving to the far right, they become farther away from what used to be the center. AOC, Omar— no shot at being president. Do you think Haley has a shot. DeSantis? Trump?
     
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  7. duchen

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    It doesn’t matter if it alienates moderate GOP. Once nominated, they will support any of these maniacs. And one of them will be because it’s mainstream GOP. Although 30% of the country. Oh, and all of a sudden. Spending and the debt is an issue.
     
  8. Gator715

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    Democrats want men to compete in women's sports, they want slavery reparations (Gavin Newsom pushed a task force exploring slavery reparations), they are defending the castration of children, and the wanton killing of the unborn.

    Republicans like DeSantis and Haley simply take policy measures to hold the line. DeSantis even signed a law permitting abortion up to 16 weeks. Haley removed the Confederate Flag from the South Carolina State Capitol.

    It sounds like when Republicans don't do anything, they're obstructionists without any ideas. When Republicans do anything, they're radicals.

    You can't win as a Republican with many people, so why bother trying? They're going to hate you anyways.
     
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  9. Gator715

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    And those are the people Joe Biden was talking about in his "unifying" speech where MAGA Republicans are "the problem."
     
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  10. jjgator55

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    Being a MAGA Republican is a symptom of a much greater mental disorder, so yes Biden should be ashamed of himself attacking the disabled like that.
     
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  11. VAg8r1

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    Please provide an example of a Democrat defending the castration of children. Since you mentioned it I would assume that you can provide the example.
     
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  12. Gator715

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    DC children's hospital offered 'gender affirming' hysterectomies for kids, audio and deleted webpage reveal

    PolitiFact - Transition-related surgery limited to teens, not 'young kids.' Even then, it's rare

    "The governor's office sent PolitiFact two examples of people who received transition-related surgeries in their mid to late teenage years — one at 15 and one at 17. DeSantis' Florida Department of Health differentiates between children (under 10) and adolescents (10-18).

    In one case DeSantis provided, an individual from California received masculinizing chest surgery at 15. Under existing California law, an insurer cannot deny coverage for the surgery — which includes double mastectomies — based on a patient's age alone.

    The procedure is mostly offered to teenagers 15 and older, The New York Times reported. However, we found one report of a 14-year-old who obtained the procedure, and there isn't a consensus on a specific age requirement among medical guidelines."

    Then, there's this:

    Trans kids' treatment can start younger, new guidelines say

    "The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment."

    We're about to move from "prove it's happening" or "it's not happening" to one of the following:
    1. Semantic games where teenagers aren't children and hysterectomies, mastectomies, and other "gender reaffirming" surgeries aren't castration.
    2. There's nothing wrong with this happening.
     
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  13. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I’m all for letting people express themselves, but this is getting all too weird and borderline unhealthy. I feel bad for these confused people. They don’t seem to have stable, loving people in their lives. This is what you get when you shut religion down. People are running around confused in search of meaning.
     
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  14. librarywestpatron2005

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    I like that first sentence but I’d use the date November 5. I can even state the exact time Maga turned UnAmerican, which is when Trump said “Frankly we won the election”
     
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    Actually I think she knows she doesn’t stand a chance and is positioning herself to be Trump’s running mate. If not Trump then someone else.
     
  16. duchen

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    Her chance was to position herself as a reasonable, electable alternative. She didn’t. The GOP is all in for DeSantis right now.
     
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    I still wouldn't bet against Trump. Although DeSantis tends to poll well when it's one on one against Trump, in the overwhelming majority of polls with multiple candidates Trump usually comes out ahead and with the GOP's method of allocating delegates based on winner-take-all or weighting delegates in favor of the candidate who wins a primary with even a small plurality, Trump can still pile up delegates even if he averages only 35% of the votes in the early primaries.
     
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    You still didn't provide an example of Democratic politician who supports the castration of "children" and even those examples that you cited are very rare exceptions and by the way "Jazz Jennings" the minor celebrity who did have the surgery at age of 17 never expressed regret even though she experience complications following her initial surgery. I would also add that if 16 and 17 year old teens can be treated as adults for the purpose of criminal law including being held responsible for criminal acts and sentenced to long periods of incarceration perhaps and again emphasizing that it's extremely rare on at least some occasions they should be able to determine what happens to their bodies and one final note I would not have a serious objection to prohibiting surgical intervention for minors under the age of 18 although I still think that should be a decision made on an individual basis by medical professional and patients and/or their parents rather than politicians.
     
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  19. Gator715

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    The legal definition of a child is someone not of majority age.

    Considering that we have a crowd that uses “follow the science” as its battlecry, just pretends this sort of stuff isn’t happening is telling. Tells you they don’t have the support for it, they know they don’t have the support for it, so instead of defending it on the merits (they can’t) they pretend it’s not happening, or it’s not a big deal.
     
  20. Gator715

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    First a liberal poster asks me to provide evidence that liberal Democrats support the castration of children, then after I post the evidence, defends the castration of children saying it’s rare and many people don’t regret it.

    Can’t make this stuff up.
     
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