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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by intimigator1, Feb 5, 2023.

  1. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

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    Oye!! I am NOT accusing YOU of anything; I am speaking only in generalities. If it came across as an attack on YOU I most definitely apologize; not the intention.
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

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    No no no. I’m sorry again. I’m trying to say that we aren’t close in communicating accurately. It seems too much for me to put the time in to try and clear it all up.
    It’s all good man.
     
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  3. ajoseph

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    That’s on me. I’ll try to speak louder next time. Lol
     
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  4. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Not following?
     
  5. tilly

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    Your "side" (not you personally) chooses to bash any differing opinion.

    For instance if I say that I think gay sex is "sin" but I support a persons constitutional rights regardless, someone will latch on to my opinion of the act, regardless of an live and let live tolerance shown.

    I will be called a multiplicity of names and viewed as a bigot of some sort.

    You may embrace that, but please dont make the claim for your side.
     
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  6. ajoseph

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    I feel pretty comfortable making a claim for my side, since I’m the one that has the position.

    In my view, you have every right to practice your religion to the fullest extent. I’ll be honest, I no longer have a deep conviction in faith and I’m jealous of those that do. Different topic, of course, but my point is good for you that you held onto your faith.

    You next argue constitutional rights. Who cares?!?!?! I’m talking basic humanity. If you judge others by their sexual preference, and treat them with disrespect because that’s how you feel, that a problem worthy of the name calling. You don’t need to welcome them into your home. You don’t need to become their best friend. You don’t need to approve for their lifestyle. But it falls against all common decency to treat them with disrespect.

    I don’t think it’s too much to ask of anyone to treat other people with dignity and respect. In the end, why even bother attempting to judge someone else’s “sin”. Isn’t that the task of G-d?
     
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  7. PerSeGator

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    Aren't you doing the same thing you're complaining about?

    Someone calling you a bigot doesn't take away your constitutional rights; it's just a negative opinion of how you're behaving, the same as you labeling lgbt actions as "sins."
     
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  8. tilly

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    I agree with everything you just said. And have been called a bigot on this board by more than one person representing your side for just saying it is a sin.

    No matter that I think a million sins exist and they are all equal in Gods eyes and make us all fall short of his design, but that one... It makes me a bigot to some

    You and I agree 200% Thus my not lumping you with that side.

    I believe they should be treated the exact same in every way as anyone else (thus my constitutional point), short of churches and businesses being forced to overtly support the practice.
     
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  9. tilly

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    Bigot is a terrible word with terrible implications in todays culture. By calling an action a sin I am not putting that person in any different spot than myself. Many things we do are "sins".

    Yelling at our kids. Getting mad at a coworker over something. Cheating on a spouse. Lying that causes harm, rooting for teams from Boston, etc. All sins.

    None of us are perfect or immune.
    You telling me that my attitude towards a coworker is sin doesnt make you a bigot. We just may disagree.

    But that doesnt fly with this one topic.
    Nope. This one gets you a label.
     
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  10. dangolegators

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    There's a reason for that. Equating someone who is simply being who they are and pursuing their own happiness without hurting anyone else with sins like cheating and lying is offensive.
     
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  11. tampagtr

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    Actually it's just the opposite. Yes those are all sins, but only one sin is constantly addressed through public calumny and legislation. I will outsource the remainder of response to Fr. James Martin, S.J.



    And cheekily, to Doug J. Balloon

     
  12. PerSeGator

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    I mean, unless you're gay, then you are putting yourself in a different spot. You're admonishing them for being who they are, and doing it by equating it to things that are fundamentally wrong in your worldview.

    And while you may disagree on the level of "wrongness" implied by the words "sin" vs "bigot," many people believe (and loudly claim) that the unrepentant sinner is condemned to eternal damnation. That makes it a pretty terrible label to put on someone who can help but be who they are.

    So, yeah, if you label LGBT conduct as sinful, I don't see you as having much room to complain when folks label what you're doing as bigoted.
     
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  13. tilly

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    See. Told ya.
     
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  14. tilly

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    None of that addresses my position, which is that any mistreatment is wrong outside of the few instances that supporting the viewed sin violates ones free exercise, and those should be handled respectfully and with kindness.
     
  15. dangolegators

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    What? That you're a bigot? If you take such offense at being called one maybe you should change your views.
     
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  16. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Lol, no it’s probably on me. I’m lazy and usually typing and working and parenting at the same time.
     
  17. tilly

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    So calling one thing sinful makes me a bigot but calling myself sinful in the same breath makes me what? Mistreating them is wrong. Believing they are wrong is not.

    Btw...Everyone will die with unrepentant sin. Me, you, everyone. That doesnt condemn you.

    The Christian faith teaches that sin condemns us ALL, but Jesus brought the remedy.
     
  18. dangolegators

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    So your view is that homosexuality is a sin, but it's ok because sin is no no big deal, everyone does it. How convenient for you.
     
  19. tilly

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    You are exactly who I am speaking of above. You proved my point.

    You wont find a single LGBTQ person in my circle... Coworkers, employees, etc that would ever say that i treated them any different than anyone else. I do disagree with parts of their lifestyle, but I dont let it influence how I treat, love or respect them.

    It is literally the definition of tolerance.
     
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  20. tilly

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    No. My view is the opposite. Sin is very harmful and mine is just as harmful as theirs.

    You see, I am no better and probably in many cases worse than many other sinners.

    Sin is an important matter and this push by many believers to emphasize one is an effort to deflect from their own.

    I dont put some special emphasis on one over the other. Some do. I do not.

    Not sure why you feel I do other than your own preconceived bias.