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The battle for new college

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by slayerxing, Jan 12, 2023.

  1. philnotfil

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    Am I understanding you correctly that you believe the university culture is one of groupthink and not challenging ideas?
     
  2. Gator715

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    When it comes to politics, absolutely.
     
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  3. philnotfil

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    Wait, you've been talking about politics this whole time?
     
  4. Gator715

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    To some degree yes. When your view of justice is equity, that is politics.
     
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  5. slayerxing

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    A chilling effect on what? Who is getting silenced and about what? I mean - look at the course catalog. First of all for probably 90% of classes on campus DEI won't come up at all, and when it does it's limited. I took a leadership class and there was only one week devoted to DEI and leadership. And believe me their were tons of ass-backwards (IMO) opinions about DEI in that class and no one was cancelled. There is a cultural leadership class a friend of mine taught in that same program and you are safe to say whatever the hell you want in the class even if it is completely insane. These are just anecdotes though.

    There are certainly people out there who have complained they were silenced - My Visit With the Silenced, Shunned, and Canceled of the Academy (just an example)

    But this argument is crap to me for a lot of reasons. There are a lot of things we have to be politically careful about talking about - especially if whatever that thing is stands in opposition to what the people in charge want you to do. That is usually not as bad in academia as in other organizations - but it's a function of being a human being. We can't hide from that. And if we pretend that academia has always been this open healthy place where everyone can publicly vent any viewpoint they want - that is crap. We all know it hasn't ever been like that, although it's the ideal we all want. If a faculty member went around incessantly screaming about aliens for a long time they might also be pushed out the door. Optics matter.

    Right now, the predominant view in the US is that DEI is important. So standing in the quad and telling everyone who walks by that DEI is a marxist agenda and the left is using black people to further their political agenda and that racism is dead - yeah, you're going to have A LOT of push back. But you know what you won't get a lot of pushback on? That cancel culture (about any topic) is scray - everyone knows it is. We all feel that. Liberals feel it, conservatives feel it. So if a university wants to spend a few million bucks out of a billion dollar budget to fend off the DEI crazies, and to at least half heartedly work towards having more equity in higher ed- which all the statistics will show is CLEARLY an issue - why treat it like cancer?

    So now what's going to happen in Florida? Universities are going to be under assault by organizations from around the country. Accreditation is going to be harder. People of color may not feel as safe coming to school here. Faculty will feel less safe taking jobs here - which ultimately hurts us all. All of that because the governor decided he wanted to fight some war against DEI - a movement that most people actually agree with, even if they don't agree on HOW it is accomplished.

    That's what we should spending our energy on - how to make the process better for everyone, not cancelling it altogether.
     
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  6. ursidman

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    It’s all so contrived.

     
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  7. Gator715

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    3/3 on the day.
     
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  8. Gator715

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    The irony of people defending CRT complaining about CRT critics redefining terms.
     
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  9. ursidman

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    Not defending CRT - I probably don’t know enough to do so - just pointing to the utter cynacism of its opponents and how it is being used as a stalking horse.
     
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    Even assuming all of your claims regarding their cynicism and dishonesty through redefining terms was true. All they would be guilty of is fighting fire with fire.
     
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  11. ursidman

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    Or fighting nothing with fire
     
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  13. philnotfil

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    Bottom left image, that "frozen" language is straight from Alinsky.
     
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    Was tweeted by one of the new board members of NC.
     
  15. slayerxing

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    The ramifications are starting already. UF is struggling to fill faculty positions. I've heard it from two colleges and the graduate school.
     
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    Heard the same about six months ago. I imagine it's only getting worse. I also know a prominent Black scholar UF recruited who turned them down for a lower-ranked university because of all the bullshit from our state government.
     
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    The problem with this sort of idiocy, is that the real consequences won’t be felt for 10 or more years out. In the short term it’s just losing out on talented people here and there. Eventually you are getting blown the F out by Bama and Georgia because you just are no longer competitive in the marketplace (to use a sports analogy).
     
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  18. gator_lawyer

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    The new DeSantis-controlled New College board is paying DeSantis ally Richard Corcoran basically the same salary ($699,000 per year) to run 700-student New College that FSU's President is receiving ($700,000 per year) to run a university with more than 40,000 students. Cronyism runs wild in DeSantis's Florida. To borrow a phrase from my Jersey friend, CORRUPTION RULES!


    EDIT: Corcoran is making $400,000 more than the previous school president.
     
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    So much for the state "getting their money's worth idea" floated by DeS. Corcoran, with zero years experience as a University Pres. is to get about double the salary of the Univ. of West Florida's President of three years and a student body about 20 times the size. Pays well to be a Crony in Fl. government.
     
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    Plus, he’s getting an 84K housing allowance, 12K car allowance, and 104K annual retirement Supplement. Guess they’re not REALLY worried about New College’s financial “trouble”
     
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