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Sam Bankman-Fried, FTX paid out millions to buy political influence

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Nov 17, 2022.

  1. VAg8r1

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    You wish. While I do not think that Biden should run for reelection in 2024 his popularity or lack thereof has hit bottom. He will have a much higher approval rating come 2024.
     
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  2. BigCypressGator1981

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    Dude the election is in 2 years. Settle down.
     
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  3. okeechobee

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    Dear moderators:

    Please change the topic name to “Sam Bankman-Fried, FTX paid millions to buy political influence”

    Upon doing more research it turns out SBF and FTX paid $26 million to Democrats and $23 million to Republicans over the last couple of years to buy political influence. Admittedly, I was grabbed by the Biden headline and didn’t look further. My apologies to all for making it one-sided.

    Bottom line this is a huge story on many levels. FTX and Alameda were allowed to get away with so much and it’s very likely these donations played a role in that.
     
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  4. rivergator

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    I'm pretty sure you can edit the title yourself. Can you see 'Thread tools?'
    Meanwhile, you've been told this since Thursday. Three days and almost three dozen posts and you finally realize this?
     
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  5. okeechobee

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    I didn't understand the full scope and thought it was the usual deflection I see here on many topics. In my defense, SBF's $26 million was confined to Biden and the Democrats. So, technically, my original title was accurate. However, it deserved much more context than I gave. SBF arranged to have his lackeys pay the GOP $23 million. I didn't realize the vastness of this criminal conspiracy until doing some further research last night. It is truly jaw-dropping.

    Apparently, this fraud could have been stopped along the way. This is 30 minutes long, but does a great job of covering everything from the start:

     
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  6. dangolegators

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    Right-wingers love crypto. A totally unregulated electronic currency. What could possibly go wrong?
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    You're making the same mistake I did with SBF, making crypto a "right-winger" thing. There are plenty of Democrats I know who've taken the crypto plunge over the years. What's clear with FTX, is that both sides are being paid off, which is likely the reason crypto is even allowed to operate in the US. There are now just too many stories of scams, widespread theft in the billions. Our government should have banned it a long time ago, but I will point out hindsight is 20/20. I think our government has been paid off to allow it to go on this long. I'm almost to the point where I'd say they were in on the scam, to an extent. If you watch the documentary, there was a moment when the SEC basically looked the other way.
     
  8. WarDamnGator

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    What documentary?

    I think there are multiple reasons why the SEC ignored it. First off, bitcoin was the only player for a long time and it wasn't worth much for several years, so it wasn't really on their radar. Also, it's unstoppable. It's decentralized. No one really even knows what country it originated from, or who started it. Also, it's debatable that bitcoin isn't a security and therefore isn't subject to SEC regulations. So the SEC did ignore it.

    Now we have 100,000 shitcoins, 1000 exchanges, hedge funds, Bitcoin ETFs on the stock market, Market caps in the Trillions, and it's impossible to ignore. The SEC has gone after companies that operated their coins like securities, or used their coins to raise money like a stock offering, and the like, so they haven't completely ignored it.

    I don't think the FTX execs cared much about which side of the political spectrum they were on, they wanted influence on both sides, and spread their money pretty evenly, so when the regulation comes, they'll have access to the lawmakers. But that's no different than what every other industry does...
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    Watch the small documentary I linked up-page in this thread. It details how the SEC had dirt on Alameda long before all this shit went down. And since when has something that is decentralized ever stopped the Feds from prohibiting it or trying to stop it? You just need to accept they probably knew people were being scammed and they let it happen. Kids running a multi-billion dollar crypto exchange from the Bahamas should have raised a lot of red flags. Truth is, it did, and it was ignored.

    I do agree FTX didn’t care which side of the political spectrum, but I do not believe it was all just to get preferential treatment once the regulation began. They were never that forward thinking. It was to get them to turn a blind eye to what they were doing in the now and frankly, it worked.
     
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  10. WarDamnGator

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    Bumping this for new info…. Apparently he is now under investigation for funneling dark money to GOP candidates, a “serious violation of election laws” by SBF and the GOP candidates….



    “All my Republican donations were dark,” Bankman-Fried went on to say, the complaint noted. “The reason was not the regulatory reason.”

    “It’s because reporters freak the f--- out if you donate to a Republican because they’re all super liberal. And I didn’t want to have that fight,” he said. “So, I made all the Republican ones dark. But, whatever, [indiscernible] the second or third biggest Republican donor this year as well.”


    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/08/ftx-ceo-sam-bankman-fried-hit-with-campaign-finance-complaint.html
     
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  11. WarDamnGator

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    He has been charged. And it's worse than previously thought. They were not just illegal donations, he was stealing customer's funds to give to politicians ... (both democrats and Republicans, fairly equally, about $40 million each party) ... and engaged in a straw man donor scheme to funnel other people's money and avoid campaign finance laws.

    • Federal authorities charged FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried with using tens of millions of dollars of misappropriated customer funds to make illegal political donations to both Democratic and Republican candidates.
    • Prosecutors said one of the reasons he made those contributions was to influence the direction of policies and laws affecting the cryptocurrency industry.
    • He diverted customer assets held by cryptocurrency exchange FTX to his crypto hedge fund, Alameda Research, the Securities and Exchange Commission charged in a civil complaint.
    • A private ethics watchdog last week asked the Federal Election Commission to investigate Bankman-Fried for his alleged admissions of donating dark money to groups linked to Republicans.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/13/ftx...inance-violations-in-criminal-indictment.html
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    Money well spent! Hopefully he saved a little for a lawyer.
     
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  13. BigCypressGator1981

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    Really hope they make an example of this guy.
     
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  14. metalcoater

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    Wonder how much he gave the stroke patient.
     
  15. BLING

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    He’s basically crypto Madoff. I guess in theory his lawyers can make it seem legally complex and hope they can muddy the waters enough for some jurors to get lost in the weeds. But at the end of the day the guy stole client funds. Fundamentally no different from Madoff or other pyramid-like schemes where they spend lavishly using client funds. The only difference here is the guy didn’t even need to fake stock trades, he was peddling vaporware. But at the end of the day that vaporware were his clients assets, not his to repurpose/steal.
     
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    That points to the hard truth about his donations too: Although Bankman-Fried claimed to be acting out of lofty motives such as stopping Trump, he appears to have been more invested in trying to shape favorable regulation. Like many tech giants, FTX concluded that more regulation in its industry was, whether desirable or not, inevitable, so the wisest course was to be proactive in shaping regulations that would be favorable.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...n-fried-donations-democrat-republican/672368/











    Enjoy unlimited access to The Atlantic.
     
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  17. sierragator

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    He and that pharma boy should be cellmates.
     
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  18. Gatoragman

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    Funny how this is finally a big deal since there is proof he gave to the pubs too. You all didn't care until now!!
     
  19. rivergator

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    There were 85 posts on this the thread the day it began which was almost a month ago. 110 posts before it was revived yesterday with the charges.
    It seems like there was interest in it before now.
     
  20. Gatoragman

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    Did you bother reading them??
    Mostly about no big deal until pubs can be challenged also!!!