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It Doesn’t Get Any Easier

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by The_RH_Factor, Dec 1, 2022.

  1. reaves2alvarez

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    Like the ACC.

    “Wes Chandler was Percy Harvin before Percy Harvin was born.”
     
  2. AgingGator

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    Let’s not forget that this was set in place by the very overrated Jeremy Foley. But Stricklin should have been smart enough to see the cracks in Foley’s facade. Football revenue enabled all of the President’s Cups and the Cups were not sustainable without continued high revenue.
     
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  3. gatorpjb

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    If you’re talking about the Director’s cup for the best overall collegiate sports program (combined). You are absolutely wrong… UF has finished in the top 5 (combined) every year for the last 10 years.
    Since it’s inception Florida and Stanford are the only two schools to finish in the top 10 every year. That’s 29 years in a row.
     
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  4. northgagator

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    Hopefully we are coming out of a cycle. Actually the SEC has been in a cycle. Some teams have risen, and some have fallen. A lot of these cycles are influenced by stable/unstable HBC situations, increases/decreases in infrastructure spending, and efficient/inefficient recruiting. The only area where the Gator have not been on the minus side of these items in the infrastructure spending. The verdict is not in yet on HBC stability. Hopefully HBC Napier will have a good to a great season next year. A good season next year will have positive impacts on all of those items. Getting those yes boxes checked will deliver the Gators more wins (including SEC wins).
     
  5. missourigator

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    I would take Foley over Stricklin anytime. He was great for the minor sports. A little too cheap and some mistakes with football coaches but overall our athletic program overall was better. I yet to see any of SS hires excel. But we will give Napier and Golden more time.
     
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  6. The_RH_Factor

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    I’m also the same guy who didn’t think all the extra practices we had in 2021 helped this year’s team.

    And, I’m also the same guy who said the lack of practices FSU had last year didn’t hurt them this year.

    FSU finished 9-3, we finished 6-6.
     
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  7. always_and_forever_uf

    always_and_forever_uf All American

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    Jeremy Foley said, "whatever needs to be done eventually, needs to be done immediately."
     
  8. Crusher

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    :D and then he put Football facilities way down at the bottom of his "What needs to be done eventually" list.
     
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  9. I think it really comes down to talent on the roster. Typically we just look at each year's recruiting rankings and assume that since Florida's recruiting rankings are higher than Kentucky and Vandy that our teams are more talented. I tried to come up with a set of metrics to portray this and the best thing I could do was go to the 247 recruiting class calculators and remove the players that transferred out and add in players that transferred in from other schools. One alarming trend popped up: the transfer portal movement in and out did not alter Alabama's and Georgia's recruiting rankings that much. For every 5-star or high 4-star that they transferred out, they took in enough 4-stars to nearly balance it out. Florida on the other hand has lost 50% to 75% of each recruiting class to transfers, suspensions, and medical retirements starting in 2011.What really stands out is the attrition and talent deficit that shows up during the Mullen years. A dozen of the the athletes from Mullen's last class did not accrue meaningful stats, so I subtracted them from the class just to illustrate that if they are not on the field they are not contributing to the talent pool needed to beat Kentucky or Vanderbilt. I get it, that is not fair metric, but there is no excuse for attrition in the 2018 and 2019 classes.

    Year | Ranking | Adjusted Ranking
    2018 14 17.5 (2 players dismissed, 2 medical retirements, 2 transfers out in 2019, 3 transfers out in 2021, 1 did not play in 2022 and announced intentions for transfer portal)
    2019 9 51.5 (4 did not qualify due to academics or medical or visa issues but still show up in the 247 class roster, 1 transfer in 2020, 3 transfers in 2021, 3 transfers in 2022)
    2020 7 38.5 (2 did not qualify academically, 4 transferred in 2021, 3 transferred in 2022)
    2021 12 19.5/ 59.5 (2 transfers in 2022; 12 players accrued no significant stats)

    The best way to summarize the graphs:
    - The relatively straight lines near the top are Alabama and Georgia with consistent recruiting classes in the top 5--even with adjustment for future attrition.
    - The crazy lines that are not orange or blue represent some of our SEC rivals (plus FSU) and their inconsistent recruiting.
    - The crazy lines that are orange and blue show that even with Florida recruits high school players well, many of them transfer out or are medically retired.

    The second graph just shows Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and the adjusted Florida graph.
    Florida Recruiting vs Rivals 2010-2022 linear.png Florida Recruiting vs Rivals 2010-2022 subset.png
     
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  10. UF24ou14

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    Everytime you have an opportunity for practice you jump at it. Only a moron thinks practice doesn't improve anything, regardless of what it is you are practicing if you are doing it with some sort of positive design. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe fsu would've won one or more of the three they lost had they had the extra practice that all the teams they lost to did have.
     
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  11. hawaiigator

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    Those extra practices last year happened without having a head coach, the bowl game happened without a head coach. You want to compare us to FSU, compare the strength of schedule too then. Outside of Clemson, who in the ACC would you say are decent football teams?
     
  12. chemgator

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    Is Florida the dead horse or the glue factory?
     
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  13. Skink

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    You go after that Strickland guy
     
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  14. Skink

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    And you love it right?
     
  15. stabnburn23

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    Really? The extra practices under an interim coach from the former staff didn't help much this year? You must be some kind of genius to have called that!
     
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  16. apkgator

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    In the words of Michael Scott...."No, you are remembering it wrong"
     
  17. Skink

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    This thread is still open?
     
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  18. Matthanuf06

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    To be fair Vandy, Mizzou, and UK are bad teams. They’d be bad in any conference
     
  19. The_RH_Factor

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    You’ve called me a moron.

    If I have an opinion that is different than yours, that makes me a moron.

    Nice
     
  20. AgingGator

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    I disagree. Vandy and UK would be middle tier and upper tier teams in the ACC.