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GNFP Podcast (NOT vids) Vandy

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Emmitto, Nov 21, 2022.

  1. Emmitto

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    OFFENSE
    • Vandy stuck with 7+ all day. The standard book all year, but Vandy did it better than anyone else.
    • Vandy beat our OL 1v1 on the reg.
    • Vandy picked our plays at a troubling rate.
    • Vandy filled every gap at the snap, and sold out because they counted on us stubbornly sticking with disadvantaged numbers.
    • In that regard, it was no fluke. It was a game plan, and it worked.
    • One of the "most brazen" cover 0 usage James has ever seen. We got them with it early on the MJ drop, but seemed to comply from there, until late.
    • 7/16 against pressure, 4/13 against M2M/ 1/8 against 6 man pressures. All of these ratios are directly in line with Vandy's season trends. IOW, nothing unexpected.
    • AR keeps: the reads were correct the overwhelming number of times. Vandy had 1 and sometimes 2 waiting on keeps. Even the two plays out of the half, they had guys waiting on the keep. You can argue that AR can just try it anyway, but it was not handing off when the read mandated otherwise.
    • Missing WR's: not the reason either. Guys were still getting open, although Bowman had troubles.
    • James: coaching win for Vanderbilt.
    • UF is 124th in RZ O. 12 personnel issue much-discussed here. 12, run-run-pass.
    • Should we have tried to force more AR runs: the potential runs for AR are level 1 creativity. Nothing like the RB run game which is creative and varied. We NEVER roll him out left. BN continues to stick with structure over tactics. AR needs different looks in the run game. TE usage has to change down to what we have. BN did seem to do this getting RP in the jet sweep spot. But otherwise tactics are simply not much of a thing so far.
    • 2XP's were the right calls, but the plays themselves are weak.
    CHANGES WE WANT TO SEE
    • More tactics. Bad teams especially need tactics to overcome deficiencies. Belichick is the known example of tactics, game to game is a different product up and down. BN has thus far been the opposite end of the spectrum.
    • Must abide by the numbers. Running into heavy boxes is not a winning idea even with superior personnel.
    • Gotta have a plan to do something different when your base foundation just isn't going to work. Not like suddenly installing air raid, but enough tweaks and targeting to change the flow.
    DEFENSE
    • A lot to like. Without penalties, some discipline issues on edges and techniques, the D was decently sound.
    • Muffed punt TD, fluke pick TD, short field FG. 17 cheap points.
    • TAM and USC film also showed that plays are there against the D. Vandy is better than those teams and got some of those plays. But generally, the D showed that some of the recent improvement appears to be real.
    • Burney holding call is so bad that James feels it warrants a demerit for that ref's eval. Not that it wasn't technically holding, but it was borderline and nothing to do with the play, and ref seemed to make the call after the play.
    • Ryland-Powell is making BCox dismissal seem like nothing. Went upfield too deep once, and of course the facemask, but otherwise he was good.
    • Another good Ventrell game. The D was not as helpless after he went out as we were earlier, but we were weaker against the run afterwards. But they didn't fall apart.
    • 70 D plays. Biggest difference in NFL and college is consistency. UF has a wild range from good to bad. The bad plays are really bad. But without the auto-firsts, Vandy is more like 3/14 on 3rd down. But the worst has almost vanished, the bad is way down, and the good is way up.
    • One of Marshall's best games (defensively....)
    CHANGES WE WANT TO SEE
    • Vandy gave up early that they were going to go quick. Vandy 4/5 with 3 TD's against pressure. But Vandy was 113 QB rating against pressure, 73 against 3 rushers coming in. We ran 3 ONE TIME. We basically did exactly what they are significantly better at. Relentlessly play the trends that are plain as day on film.
    • "Gamechangers." They are making way too much news on this podcast. Something new every week. Newly bad.
    END OF FIRST HALF
    • Not Mayday sitch for us, although it is for Vandy. Both are frustrated with the lack of trying to steal points in this spot, all year. Not too much to say that they don't say every week.
    • Onside kick: kick away. The odds of getting it are so slim that having to get a stop is almost a certainty. But getting the ball back at the 40 or so if the stop is after a kick. Onside kicks should be either surprises or desperation.
    • Loss: on a scale of "not good" to "fireable." James says "Terrible", two steps from fireable. Not fireable, which means all hope is gone because the data has mounted. Not "devastating" because that is a loss that puts you one step away from "fireable" or ruins something huge, like UT at USC. But it's terrible because it killed all the program momentum, coaches were bad, players were bad, and it also just plainly looked back. But this loss means NOTHING for the BN 3 year test. But dents the armor and raises a lot of questions. Allen agrees. Allen points out that putting a loss to Vandy on your resume can't possibly be good. Perhaps fans feel this is a headline loss much more than outside the nation. Most other fans and media just simply aren't zoomed in on UF football. It's sadly just not shocking right now outside of The Nation.
    "Coaching corner", which is about scenarios from other games. Interesting and informative, and also sometimes relates to UF games, but since it's mostly other teams I won't summarize at length. Quick hitters: Illinois should have won. Imaman Gundy forfeited. Georgia is the only team that might not lose every week, and they beat UK 16-6. James never misses a chance to refer to Levis as "The #1 Pick....", and he's not paying his respects. TCU not in top tier but what a magical run. PAC-12 is fun football.

    FSU PREP
    • Allen is just disgusted by the concept of Florida State, on general principle.
    • James is too emotionally spent to rant against the Friday slot. The shine is off a bit. If FSU loses, they will also lose any momentum they have. Imagine their sitch: losing to a year one UF rebuild that just lost to Vandy. UF needs the win to not limp into bowl season and the off-season.
    • The original tribe was actually Creek. Seminoles were actually a collection of tribes and runaway slaves fleeing from dominant Upper Creeks in Georgia.
    • 1988: Bowden has ball snapped to Leroy Butler on fake punt at Clemson for famous play; in 1993 Butler created the Lambeau Leap.
    • Garnet and Gold Guys use up to 6 pounds of glitter per week. I have never heard of this glam tradition (since 1998, anyway.) They also ride a tandem bike to each game. Alrighty then.
    • Norvell is going to fail the 3 Year Test. That's not always an auto-fire, but the biggest problem here is recruiting. Time to go.
    • 54% run. Spread it around including TE. 28% PA. Not much RPO or motion. Not much 12. Throw to all depths. 16th in YPC. 16th in YPP. 7th in 3rd down conversion. Ruh roh.
    • They shred 5 man rushes. Worst against base 4. Not as good against C2M. Better against M2M than zone. Weaker against dime than nickel.
    • O is super simple for QB. Not a lot of complicated reads. Hypothetically, if you can run a competent C2/C2M with effective 4 up front, with 6 man pressures mixed in, they can have problems.
    • D has two good corners. Verse has 7.5 sacks. 24% pressure, usually 5. 41% M2M.
    • Hard to see a scenario in which FSU doesn't have offensive success. Can base 4 get pressure? And then play zone behind it? FSU recipe for struggle: Travis <60% and 30 yards rushing. UF WR sitch looks bad, Ventrell out a half barring a miracle reprieve.
    • Predictions--both pick FSU 30-20. If it makes you feel any better, they both picked UF blowouts last week.
    • James trending down on BN on-field coaching. Sees him as a systems/culture/recruiting guy, needs to look at OC, QB coach, passing game coordinator, etc. In general, disappointed with on-field coaching at this stage. Allen feels like these additions are "easy", and why wouldn't you? James points out Andy Reid, McDaniel (Miami), Leach as guys known for offensive prowess that still have these coaching positions. Leach basically invented an entire passing offense, still has a passing game coordinator.
     
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  2. traubgator

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    Did James Di Virgilio play ball or ever coach?

    dude knows his stuff!!!
     
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  3. Emmitto

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    Not that I am aware of. He’s a UF/Wharton grad that started a hot shot wealth management company.

    College of Health and Human Performance
     
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  4. Matthanuf06

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    As expected…. Awful coaching (not tactical and ignores the numbers) and AR was fine

    Something else James mentioned that is pretty obvious is our passing scheme is weak. We simply do not attack the weakness of the D and we give our QB very few easy throws. Compare that to say Mullen or many NFL teams that actually get wide open guys. We just don’t at that level we need to
     
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  5. stp_gator

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    Emmitto, thanks for this info on the Glitter Boys which provided my first big laugh out loud moment of the day…

    “They also ride a tandem bike to each game. Alrighty then.”
     
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  6. antny1

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    If you take their opinions as gospel then the argument that our record is a talent/culture issue is moot. I dont particularly believe this season had to be lost to execute his plan.

    Hard not to be all in on Napier as a CEO for the program which was badly needed but can't say the rigidity in tactics and lack of OC isn't concerning. I'm hanging on to Napier's claim that he studied where other UF coaches failed. If he is sincere then he will adapt. I hope he does because just like I initially felt with Mike White, he is a young coach and quality character that we would be fortunate to have lead the program for years to come.

    Even as a big picture perspective fan that I am, I don't believe Kentucky, usf and vandy had to happen.
     
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  7. scooterp

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    I don’t understand the RO assessment that somehow AR was right not pull it and take off. So handing it off to a RB so he can run into a pile of 6 opposing players for no gain the right call? I’m not buying it. It would have to be a lot more to convince me that if he keeps it he wouldn’t get much bigger chunks of yards.
     
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  8. Emmitto

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    Yeah, I can't believe I've never heard of this beloved tradition.

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  9. Emmitto

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    If past podcasts are any guide, James' commentary always matches the film review. He has of course heard all of the Internet coaching and QB play pro-tips also. He called the use of cover 0 "the most brazen" he's ever seen. They never went lighter than 7 in the box, and had bodies for all gaps and AR. This is why he consistently mentions BN not honoring the Rule of Numbers (don't run into heavy boxes, don't throw screens to even/minus numbers, etc.) and BN's lack of tactics (you simply are going to have to throw against cover 0 even if that isn't what you planned for or practiced against.)

    All my speculation of course, since the films aren't posted yet. We shall see.
     
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  10. easycoastgator

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    All that would explain why we couldn’t get the run going and that we did pass the ball a lot. I look forward to this film review (I always do).
    This game was extremely frustrating. It was a bad day all around. Dropped passes. Bad reads. Muffed punt. Missed kick. Very one-sided officiating. If it could go wrong, it probably did. BUT… again, we could have easily won the game by 14 with the game plan put forward by the coaching staff
     
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  11. spike718

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    he coaches an adult mens flag football team (I think a professional team if that exists)
     
  12. spike718

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    Thank you OP for your long summary..,I don’t have the stomach to listen to the podcast this week after that loss so I appreciate all the details.

    biggest concern for the bullet points and others shows this season by GNFP…coaches don’t seem to coach tactically - for being analytically heavy they are not game planning based on the opponents weaknesses and strengths at all. Just runs our stuff and if it works it works. That is pretty bad.
     
  13. Matthanuf06

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    The problem is it should have been a pass play. They were in cover 0 and selling out for the run. In that case both run options are covered
     
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  14. Matthanuf06

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    CBN hasn’t shown to be analytical at all. It’s one thing to talk a big game but since he’s not being tactical then he’s not being analytical. Going for 2 is small potatoes analytics compared to implementing optimal schemes vs teams
     
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  15. ThomasD89

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    Well, that is pretty much what my inexpert eyes saw all game. Vandy consistently gave Richardson looks that told him not to run, which meant he would hand it off and the play calling never really did anything to change that. Yeah we tried the WR screen once in the first quarter and then again in the second half. Both times the set was telegraph obvious, the numbers weren't there, and they plays went nowhere. Either our O guys up in the booth were worthless or they were ignored. Given the oft displayed and above noted stubbornness of Napier I lean towards the latter.

    Now think about this - imagine the game without the boneheaded penalties and the ST debacles. We probably scrape by with a win.

    But the real problems would still be there, we just might not notice them.
     
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  16. robertgator

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    Didn’t we pass a lot?
     
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  17. tommyvee

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    I saw plenty of times they didn’t have 7 in the box. The main issue was our OL losing their one on ones.

    The two guys keying on AR doesn’t make sense as that means we should’ve been able to put a hat on a hat and have Montrell or ETN make them pay.
     
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  18. WC53

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    Going to start calle him James DeVille as the new villain;)

    some of the comments on O strategy (or lack of) is what scares be about process guys. The process should work.. so deep into it that can’t see the forest for the trees. I also separate systems from process.

    Great review as always.
     
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  19. Emmitto

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    Eventually. It was 12/14 run/pass in H1, 7/10 Q3, and 2/19 Q4.
     
  20. Crusher

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    On the read option the QB still has to beat the OLB, but if the WR does his job and makes the block or gets in the way of the CB enough, it puts that OLB in a bad position even if he is in the right spot...he either turns the QB in which is an automatic 5+ yard pickup, or he takes a chance that the CB can help make the play and let the QB run wide which might result in a long gainer or TD if not. Most QB's can outrun a OLB. I would take my chances on AR beating one guy over our RB running into a pile of 6 or 7 tacklers for a team that was selling out to stop the up the gut run.
     
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