Stokes no longer a Gator

The GOP of today is much more like the old Southern Democrats commonly referred to as Dixiecrats than it is like the party of Lincoln. The overwhelming majority of Republicans in the House and Senate voted to enact both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. In 2021 the overwhelming majority of Republicans opposed both the Freedom to Vote Act and the John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, kind of like the way the Dixiecrats opposed the original Voting Rights Act in 1965.

 

Now that might be your most ridiculous post yet. I am not going down this rabbit hole with you because it will turn into a 20 post argument which as we have been told before is off topic.

 

See #363.

 

The truth hurts, my man, whether or not you want to see it.

 

Another absurd post. I refuse to waste my time educating you.

 

Nothing you could ever say hurts me. You do not know what you are talking about How can an uneducated poster hurt me.

 

What? How could Abraham Lincoln tear down monuments that weren't built yet?

 

Again, it’s one thing to hold someone accountable due to significant or serious bad behavior, but a different thing to ruin them or deliver a disproportionate response to a mishap, mistake, or politically unfavorable view. The latter is cancel culture and it exists. I’m not suggesting for one second that Stokes behavior does not warrant the response of revoking his scholarship. Especially because he voluntarily posted the video in a public forum (caveat emptor), as opposed to being recorded or videotaped against without his consent and/or knowledge, which happens in some cases. Nor am I suggesting that the me too movement or things like that are part of cancel culture. That’s not the focus of my post. I’m pointing out that, regardless of what started the pattern, there is a definite trend for certain self-anointed virtue signalers to shame individuals and/or the corporations they are affiliated with on Twitter, socials, the internet, etc. for behavior and/or beliefs that they find repugnant (irrespective of whether or not this is a majority view), and in some cases - seemingly too many cases - the punishment and harm is clearly disproportionate to the conduct. In some cases it’s even crippling. The situation is made worse by the fact the recipient often has no real recourse to fix economic harm besides the legal system - which isn’t always practical - and no real mechanism to rehab their personal or professional reputation other than time. This is not a made up construct; you can find examples if you look around. You don’t need to watch FoxNews or Newsmax or whatever else you misguidedly believe that I watch

 

Not sure what year they were all built, but Lincoln would not have torn them down. Lincoln didn’t even move to arrest Davis. Shall I recount all the things Lincoln allowed to continue on in the South after the War?

 

Why Did the Democrats Lose the South? Bringing New Data to an Old Debate
A long-standing debate in political economy is whether voters are driven primarily by economic self-interest or by less pecuniary motives like ethnocentrism. Using newly available data, we reexamine one of the largest partisan shifts in a modern democracy: Southern whites’ exodus from the Democratic Party. We show that defection among racially conservative whites explains the entire decline from 1958 to 1980. Racial attitudes also predict whites’ earlier partisan shifts. Relative to recent work, we find a much larger role for racial views and essentially no role for income growth or (non-race-related) policy preferences in explaining why Democrats “lost” the South.

 

A whole lot of people in this thread failed history and government. Carry on

 

Please do. Lincoln died on April 14, 1865. Lee surrendered on April 9, 1865. Confederate troops continued fighting the Civil War into June 1865. So yes, tell me all of the things Lincoln allowed to continue in the South after the war.

 

First you say Yeah the Democrats used to be really racist but they changed there stripes but the GOP never changed their stripes. Now you say the GOP changed right after Lincoln. Which is it. Make a cohesive argument and maybe I will take you seriously, Otherwise you are just being a blowhard who changes your opinion every other post.

 

You're confusing what two different posters have said, which is why you think my argument isn't cohesive. Take a look back at the discussion and read who said what.

 

I think this idea has merit. There are some racists out there, though. To answer a query in a previous post, I can’t remember the last time I saw or heard explicit racism in person in public. In fact, I can’t remember a time at all. I’m sure others have. I came from the military brat life with myriad close friends of all races and mixes. I learned of racism in our history but always experienced friends and activities that made it seem to be old news. I might have been naive but I thought the mid to late 70s was post overt racism. Heck, all my crew loved the black sploitation movie genre, albeit primarily due to Pam Grier’s “acting prowess”. I have been around a couple racists in the last ten years or so, one being an ex boss and one an ex client. Due to the power differential I cringed a little and moved the discussions in other directions. One is deceased. One is in poor health. I am hopeful that they are part of the old guard that has less and less influence every day, thereby reducing the supply of racism.

 

What’s that look like? I’m really asking. While we differ in our political opinions I have grown to love your football posts so I’m genuinely curious.

 

I appreciate the kind words. I also find myself usually agreeing with you on football.

As long as massive societal disparities persist that can explained only by race, we're not there. When the exact point is that we're past it is harder to pinpoint. Do those disparities have to cease to exist entirely? I don't think so.

But when they're as large as they are now, we're simply not close to the equal society we should strive to be. And that requires us to work to address that lack of equality, which necessarily entails being aware of race. You can't solve a problem if you ignore what's at the root of it.

I expect we both share the goal of a colorblind society. I simply don't think we can truly get there until we address the massive amounts of inequality that still exist today.

 

Hell no. Conservatives started “cancel culture” in the first place (Dixie Chicks).