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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by AndrewSpivey, Nov 20, 2022.

  1. gatormater

    gatormater Premium Member

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    Wow can’t believe people are this ignorant / naive. I wish to live in your world.
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    The video is meant to satirize the white people crying about the "double standard." If you come away thinking "oh yeah, those white people are right," woof.

    Let me help you out here. The satirical nature of the video is the fact that the two white men know they're not allowed to say it, know they would be wrong to use the word, and still are griping about it. So no, they aren't "trying to understand" anything. They understand it perfectly well. They simply don't like how things are.

    You know the answer to the question. You won't even write the word in your post. Don't play ignorant.

    Let's just say I highly doubt that Marcus Stokes is unaware that using the n-word in public is a no-no.
     
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  3. gatorchamps0607

    gatorchamps0607 Always Rasta VIP Member

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    Tell me about the last time you saw open racism in public that wasn't something you saw online or on the news. Tell me where and when and what exactly happened in the situation. Be quick, if its as bad as you seem to think it is you should have many examples of you PERSONALLY witnessing racism so I shouldn't get a response tomorrow.
     
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  4. PD

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    You did not interpret the meaning of that scene correctly. You are emulating the confusion of the white broadcasters.
     
  5. PD

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    Well your story is an example of an innocent kid celebrating a Black man, and you genuinely did not know that blackface was something with a long history of bigotry and discrimination. That happens sometimes. But I have to remind you that you did not do that presentation in 2022. Things are much different now, and kids today are way more aware and informed about social issues like that. You didn't know. Stokes did. You didn't mean to offend. Stokes surely didn't either. But his understanding of the current atmosphere around race made his decisions here really poor.
     
  6. gator_lawyer

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    Nobody said he's a racist. But he made a very, very bad error in judgment, and those sorts of mistakes come with consequences.

    Yes. I grew up in a world where my community taught me that there are consequences for our actions. "Cancel culture" is the whine of those who think they should face no consequences for their actions. If I said the n-word publicly, I'd likely lose my job. I imagine the same is true for most of us. That's not "cancelling."
     
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  7. PD

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    Call BS. Call the dog catcher if you want. I don't care what you think.
     
  8. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    You won't be surprised to find out that he also cut out part of the sentence: "The controlling principle is that a faculty member's expression of opinion as a citizen cannot constitute grounds for dismissal unless it clearly demonstrates the faculty member's unfitness to serve."
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    No worries. Quite a few have already offered their opinion about you. I won’t pile on.
     
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  10. BubbaBJ

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    I like and respect you PD, but I wasn't looking for your blessing and I think you are still missing my point.

    The 3 old white guys on the golf cart over 20 years ago thought something was wrong. I didn't.

    You find wrong in Stoke's actions. He didn't while doing it.

    Many fellow Gators on this thread are like those on the golf cart. This Stokes situation is one where most level headed people would just shake their heads and let a young man make a mistake and learn from it.

    You are acting like someone that would have taken my photo, shared it with the local paper, campaigned to have me removed from student government, demanded my scholarship be stripped, called my HOA(I don't have one) to force me to move from my neighborhood, shamed my wife for tolerating me (she's a "minority",) and anything else that would have made you feel superior because you have race at the forefront of all your thoughts.

    Fortunately, you are now in the minority. No one (with any influence) gives a poop about race now. You are a great writer and can be very persuasive. Use your skills on something relevant.

    Love and Respect
     
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  11. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    You live in a bubble if you believe that.
     
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  12. ColoradoNoVaGator

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    What we have here is the demand for racism exceeding the actual supply
     
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  13. jaxgatorlp03

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    Yo, NO ONE, at least not whites like me, care about not being able to say it. I COULDNT CARE LESS. Its not in my vocabulary; I have no need or want to say it. I dont like its past, and I will refrain from typing it as to not offend or get kicked off.

    The only reason I'm on here is because of Stokes' incident. Was it stupid for him to post the video? YES. Did he think people were going to flip shi* about it and that he was going to lose a scholarship to UF and potentially others? Not a chance. That alone tells me he wasn't trying to insult anyone. He might say things like "whats up n-" around his black friends and it probably didnt cross his mind that he was about to use it in front of the whole world. This is not a Riley Cooper incident.

    Ive heard his voice, seen a few pics and some interviews. Without knowing him, it seems to me like he favors black culture, so I'm sure he hangs with blacks. I'll go further; I bet hangs out with YOUNGER blacks. He probably doesn't get any push back from his younger black friends about saying it. It really seems to be older blacks and whites who care about it more than the younger blacks, and obviously for good reason, but nonetheless I doubt hes around older blacks.

    He needed to be confronted and told that its not OK to say it, no matter if it's in the context of a song or not. My point is, if he says it around his younger black friends, I doubt he gets push back and I highly doubt he thought twice about posting it. Should he have had his scholarship pulled? Eh, idk. Have him put out a public apology and tell him behind closed doors to de-commit. Pulling his scholarship makes this front page news and could possibly hurt his future and chances of going to a decent school..... All for saying something with no ill-will.

    As for that video, this incident is the type of stuff I see the white guys as referring to - issues like this with no insult intended. NO whites desire to say the word except racists, and whites(possibly like stokes) who favor black culture with a bunch of black friends. This is a small percentage of whites who may use it though. Whether you believe it or not, no one is arguing for its use, just questioning whether an incident like this should lead to having a scholarship pulled.

    Lastly, racism itself should largely be dying out. The news, and possiby the "powers that be", are the only things stopping it and continuing to divide us. There will always be differences between races, but hating someone for their skin color, at least whites to blacks, is dying out. The "thoroughbreds" are dying off. Schools were integrated here around 1970, so these past couple generations have grown up together, and you see that exact thing with Stokes' incident. This is a kid who didn't think it was an issue. Set him straight but dont ruin his future
     
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  14. jaxgatorlp03

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    the only other interpretation I can make is that black people are actually not offended by the use of the word. Idk if that is your interpretation or your belief, but thats the only other thing I can make out of the video. That would be news to me though. Otherwise, the stage is yours to enlighten me
     
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  15. carpeveritas

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    So someone singing along isn't acknowledging / mimicking artistic genius?

    It is a warped mind that determines when someone sings a song with such words and decides the only person who can do so is the artist or someone of some particular background or ethnic group. What's worse is they give such artists accolades and put them on pedestals. These artists are rewarded monetarily and aggrandized for such trash and hateful words put to music.

    Ask the question, do people buy these artistic performances for the music and entertainment, do they buy it for the shock value or do they buy it because they are rebels or worse racist? If Amazon, Walmart, spotifty, lastfm, iHeart pick your poison would say I'm not playing that or I'm not selling that it would go a long way to implementing changes in the way people view and treat each other. The hypocrisy is not only divisive it promotes the unwanted behavior people are trying to eliminate as with the case of this young man.
     
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  16. g8trjax

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    Evidently still has a long way to go.
     
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  17. gatormonk

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  18. ATLGATORFAN

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    good for you D Webb.
     
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  19. littlebluelw

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    Some time ago he blocked me but its so nice not to read his crap.
     
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  20. G8trGr8t

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    no, it has swung too far in the PC direction. Much like politics, we need to dampen these pendulum swings
     
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