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Chess world rocked by anal bead cheating scandal

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Sep 11, 2022.

  1. tampagtr

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    If the Astros had figured this out, Jose Altuve wouldn't have developed "jersey shyness" - he would just have needed to keep his pants on

     
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  3. Spurffelbow833

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    Maybe I should start a poll on which chess piece--on second thought, no.
     
  4. mrhansduck

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    So I watched some videos on this last night. One theory is that Neimann somehow got Carlsen's opening. I know that there are strategies in chess, but I didn't know there were like playbook issues like this where they plan to use certain block of moves/lines. Over my head because I don't understand this level of chess, but apparently "over the board" cheating is not impossible and more prevalent than I would have thought. I can say just from a non-chess standpoint that Neimann's interviews are super weird. Seems that GMs think his analysis is off, too, but perhaps he is trolling people by making moves that don't make conventional sense or which are internally inconsistent. Really interesting story all the way around.
     
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  5. AgingGator

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    And third and fourth if necessary!
     
  6. sas1988

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    Really? Anal Beads. WTF? I guess where there's a will...
     
  7. slocala

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    Keeps getting weirder.

     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    bb
     
  9. mrhansduck

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    This is really crazy.
     
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  11. swampspring

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    I think the jig was up when he ran the Grundlefeld defense.

    /obligatory chess nerd joke
     
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  12. WarDamnGator

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    He initially admitted to cheating in two online matches when he was younger, but it looks like they found a lot more. This is different, though, because it was an in person match, and they don’t really know he was getting the moves relayed. The in person games he did the best in were televised live (per the info above) so it seems like he had a partner watching and giving him the computer moves. Assuming that is true, No one knows how he was getting the moves, they apparently scanned him with an electronics sensor and didn’t find anything.
     
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  13. carpeveritas

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    To get a better understanding about what is going on here's a podcast tha lays out the cheating these players do.

    The Chess Scandal Involving Butt Plugs, AI, and Accusations of Cheating
    Chess. Chess. Chess. You, the audience, quite literally asked for it. It’s the scandal that just won’t quit. On September 4 at a live Chess Tournament in St. Louis, chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen lost in a massive upset to young chess wiz Hans Niemann. This was not supposed to happen and almost immediately accusations and revelations about cheating have gotten wilder, involving AI driven cheating engines and buttplugs.

    Throughout it all, Motherboard editor-in-chief Jason Koebler has kept pushing the story, watching every moment, and now he’s got a big scoop.
     
  14. dave_the_thinker

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    Kasparov had Deep Blue solved.

    But he snapped and quit the match because during the match he won, the software made a random move that to him could never have been generated by a computer. He alleged cheating by the computer using a human being who knew his game! (Most likely Karpov)

    IBM has never released the source code for Deep Blue, they have it locked up in a vault.

    I'm going to put this out here for other IT nerds, since IBM and Red Hat (the beacon of open source development) have now merged.

    If anyone here is at the Red Hat Summit next year, there is usually an opportunity to ask questions from the audience during the keynote. Someone please ask if IBM will release this code as a nod to open source principle everywhere.

    I have been waiting for my chance, but I am just one guy.
     
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  15. carpeveritas

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    Just an FYI IBM sold deep blue for parts. What was supposed to be the end all be all for AI in the medical industry was a flop. Just so you understand Deep Blue was intended to serve the medical community in diagnosis and patient care. It didn't take long for doctors to realize that all Big Blue was doing was providing them with next steps they would have taken based on professional knowledge. In other words doctors complained I know that already and I don't need Deep Blue to tell me what I already know.
     
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  16. dave_the_thinker

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    I am not concerned so much about the hardware. I am well aware that a big part of Deep Blue's power was the custom hardware provided by clustered VLSI chips. (The medical industry connection I was not aware of, thank you for the info)

    The source code was written in plain old C however, and this is what many of us would like IBM to release.

    If there were mechanisms allowing live players to contribute, the source code would reveal it.
     
  17. WarDamnGator

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    That was an interesting podcast, they sort of explained how cheating is detected in online chess tournaments … also funny that the open source community is trying to actually build a vibrating plug that will send you the best chess move in morse code… awesome.
     
  18. carpeveritas

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    Given Vegas has the moniker of Sin City for gambling and adult entertainment. Time to make some money and double your fun at the black jack tables.
     
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    I can't open that link but have been following this story, listening to YouTube videos and podcasts. I will be curious to see who the other Defendants are. I think Nakamura has been pretty careful most of the time he has spoken about it.