Hurricane a'comin (Ian)

the red line is the causeway, damage is shown at the link where you can zoom in

Hurricane IAN Imagery (noaa.gov)

 

One of my students, thinking the storm was coming to Tampa, evacuated …to Naples.

 

At the risk of seeming to trivialize something that should not be trivialized, Mr. Yamaguchi is perhaps the worst example of bad luck in locations. I only posted something funny because he lived till 93

Tsutomu Yamaguchi
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Tsutomu Yamaguchi
山口 彊

Tsutomu Yamaguchi in 2009
Born 16 March 1916
Nagasaki, Empire of Japan
Died 4 January 2010 (aged 93)
Nagasaki, Japan
Occupation Engineer
Children 1
Tsutomu Yamaguchi (山口 彊, Yamaguchi Tsutomu) (16 March 1916 – 4 January 2010) was a Japanese marine engineer and a survivor of both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings during World War II. Although at least 70 people are known to have been affected by both bombings,[1] he is the only person to have been officially recognized by the government of Japan as surviving both explosions.[2]

A resident of Nagasaki, Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on business for his employer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries when the city was bombed at 8:15 AM, on 6 August 1945. He returned to Nagasaki the following day and, despite his wounds, he returned to work on 9 August the day of the second atomic bombing. That morning, while he was being told by his supervisor that he was "crazy" after describing how one bomb had destroyed the city, the Nagasaki bomb detonated.[3] In 1957, he was recognized as a hibakusha ("explosion-affected person") of the Nagasaki bombing, but it was not until 24 March 2009, that the government of Japan officially recognized his presence in Hiroshima three days earlier. He died of stomach cancer on 4 January 2010, at the age of 93.

 

Oh man, he really is. I read that two of his kids died young, but he and his wife lived long lives, so no one can really know how the radiation affected his family. Still what bad luck indeed.

 

Maybe but you have to admit it’s far more useful to assess risk than the spaghettini models.

 

I have not been a DeSantis fan, but no way I blame him for "being late" for issuing the evacuation order. We all had access to the same weather info he had. These hurricanes always seem to make late stage moves, thus the spaghetti models. Heck, originally it looked like the eye was going to go right over the top of our house in north Fl before it shifted east.
We now live in such a "I am victim" and its someone else's falt society- its become rare to take personal responsability.

 

I believe it’s the locals that declare these things? But in either case, the beaches definitely shoulda been outta there with mandatory evacuation 24 hours earlier even with the expectation it would be a near miss (vs. direct hit). You can’t even risk it. The “personal responsibility” thing comes into play if a person chooses not to heed an evacuation order. If there is no order or the order is late then the govt failed. Obviously we understand this storm wasn’t easy to pin down, which is why I think it only appropriate to evacuate island communities.

Would this have mattered? Unknowable right now as we don’t truly know how many perished, let alone how many would have evacuated vs. not evacuated if there was an earlier order.

 

What does a "mandatory evacuation" even mean? It's still voluntary.

 

Temporary road to Pine Island should be completed by this weekend based on a friend who is working on the job. It is straight road construction and they have over 100 trucks running material from the pit to the site to fill in the washed out road.

 

Often that there will be zero emergency services available during or soon after the storm. In my case the bridges to my place are raised and no one is allowed on or off the peninsula unless you swim the inter coastal to the other side.

 

It's also a message to you about how bad things should be and that you really should if you don't want to suffer

 

Yes it does matter, as this is not the last hurricane Fla will see. As soon as the weather services predicted it would hit from the gulf side I started prepping. We didn't need to be told to tie things down, fuel everything up in case we needed to bug out, or get chain saws and tractor ready for cleanup afterwards.
Next time it will be the same thing, people will blame everyone but themselves for themselves not doing what they need to do.

 

And all of the anti big govt types will be along soon to blame all things bad on desantis for not sending the national guard in to forcibly remove the folks that chose to ride it out.

 

I assume big culverts beneath to allow some tidal flow?

 

I do not fault local officials too greatly for the timing of their mandatory evacuation orders.

But there is messaging short of evacuation orders, such as trying to advise people that they should start preliminary preparations for the possibility of a subsequent evacuation order. An evacuation order that proves unnecessary can be tremendously disruptive. But a lot of the messaging from SW Florida officials was that there was nothing to worry about. That was never the case, an official should have been affirmatively communicating to the residents that they were still in danger and should still be watching closely and making preliminary preparations even if they would ultimately prove unnecessary. That is just responsible communications.



It was Tuesday morning, the day before Hurricane Ian bulldozed into Southwest Florida and already less than 24 hours before Gov. Ron DeSantis declared it was too late for remaining residents to evacuate.

But at a Collier County Commission meeting, officials agreed they should pray for Tampa Bay.

“There’s a lot of reasons for us to be praying these days, especially with anybody that’s been watching the Weather Channel,” said commission chairperson William McDaniel. “So keep our friends in the northern (part of the state) and of Tampa and such in our prayers as well. They’re staring at this thing right now.”

Later in the meeting, he would criticize the news media for “saying a whole bunch of different things” about the storm and local preparation. He commended a county official for avoiding that kind of “hyperbole.”



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not that I know of. Flow will be limited to pass as it was but I'm not that close to it.

lots of new passes have opened up thru gulf beaches connecting bayou backwaters to the gulf. I just hope they leave some of them open. The beach restoration is going to take years out there. Shelling should be off the charts right now if you can get thru the debris in the water to get to the beach

looking for a good bay boat if you know any being salvaged out, 24' +/- as long as hull is solid and motor wasn't submerged. Hoping to find a good buy out of this if possible

 

Having friends severely impacted by Ian I've watched a lot of the news. I have yet to hear anyone blame DeSantis. The local officials, yep, but not the governor.

 

I live in a zone 1 mandatory evacuation. House is block, has no gables, has hurricane clips and tie downs, hurricane windows fronted by roll down hurricane shutters, reinforced garage door rated to 180 mph. Neighborhood streets are at elevation 17, house is at 19.5. For me, there was no reason to leave as I can self sustain for a week easily with generator and water purifying units. . less than a mile from me, the homes sit at elevation 7 and were flooded. we are in the same evac zone. Just because you are in a mandatory area doesn't mean you can't evaluate your own position and preparation to make an informed opinion