Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

LOL. They played politics. One week said they recommend opening schools, got pressured from teachers unions and caved. That's not science. You keep thinking it was the right decision. The rest of us are in the real world and see the data showing schools should've been opened from the start of the fall 2020 school year. That you won't admit that is quite telling.

 

Errrrmm, no. Getting a vaccine did/does make sense. It reduces your chance of death by Covid. Apparently, for reasons that elude me many Rs don’t/won’t believe and they seem willing to die to try and prove it. Believe the data. Vaccines work. Got my Omicron shot yesterday.

Analysis | After vaccines became available, a partisan gap in deaths emerged — The Washington Post

We also know that Republicans were less likely to get vaccinated than Democrats. Republican officials often downplayed the utility of vaccination, responding to framing of the shots as an unnecessary intrusion from the government. Trump-voting counties were also more likely to seek alternative treatments for covid, such as the drug ivermectin — treatments that were shown repeatedly not to be effective.


Last month, though, the National Bureau of Economic Research published an important study from researchers affiliated with Yale University. They took 577,659 death records from Ohio and Florida between January 2018 and December 2021 and matched the decedents to a 2017 voter file. In other words, they were able to identify the partisanship not only of the places those people lived but of the people themselves.

Registered Republicans in Florida and Ohio had higher excess death rates than registered Democrats, driven by a large mortality gap in the period after all adults were eligible for vaccines,” the researchers write. “These results adjust for county-by-age differences in excess deaths during the pandemic, suggesting that there were within-age-by-county differences in excess death associated with political party affiliation.”


In another chart, the point is made explicitly. Before the vaccines, the pattern of deaths during the pandemic looked the same for Democrats and Republicans, even in counties that would later have lower vaccination rates. Then, after vaccinations became available, the divergence emerged — and was much wider in counties with lower vaccination rates.

 

This disease has never been that dangerous to the healthy. They tried to sell you the shot(s) would stop you from getting and spreading Covid. We knew that was wrong as the shot(s) went live and Delta became the dominant variant. All the while Delta showed natural immunity as superior and our government ignored it.

I have said it before…at the beginning of 2021 I would have recommend high risk groups take the shot(s) if they did not already have Covid.

Take as many of the shot(s) as you wish. But medicine and science is not telling people who waited and by now almost certainly had Covid (even if they have not) that they need to take two archaic shot(s) before than can take the bivalent shot with 8 mice as the answer for why they should take it.

***that does not even get to kids and the absolute ridiculous call for them to take these shot(s)***

 

Still going... The Energizer bunny of this thread will never stop.

 

There is no Covid. There are no viruses. Vaccines are useless. Except that they can injure or kill.

 

The closing of schools will be the biggest Public Health Disaster of our lifetimes. And it never should have happened. I am surprised you would even attempt to defend it. The data was there to show there was no reason to keep schools closed. I understand the propaganda was strong at the time as your links show. But the real data showed it was not dangerous to reopen. And we hurt the most vulnerable young kids by letting that propaganda win the day in many states.

 

Revinionist history. The data at the time was mixed at best, with plenty of data that looked like schools could be a major cause of spread. Like this study from Israel, published July 23, 2020, looking back at March through May. When dealing with a virus that quickly became the third leading cause of death, and no vaccine available at the time, it's not a surprise that most schools and school districts decided it was better t be safe than sorry.

 

The world turned upside down for an imaginary pathogen. Millions of excess deaths ensue.

 

Derp Derp Derp

 

It was only mixed if you were looking to mix it.

We knew by March/April 2020 who was at risk from this disease.

So much damage was done to the youth because we ignored this!

 

I know I’m not ready to move on from the topic of crimes against humanity.

 

While we agree on most of this and disagree on some of the little things when it comes to this topic.

You are spot on about this!

 

That should be drip, drip, drip ... the sound too many of the vaccinated are hearing.

 

And those at greater risk included elderly and adults with underlying conditions. How many of these adults with underlying conditions like diabetes, for example, were teachers? And while children weren't huge vectors of transmission, every school has a number of adults that work there, and spend time together, with meant transmission between adults at each school. Or what about at-risk adults that lived with a teacher or someone who worked at a school?

And again, read the study out of Israel during the spring, 2020, there was obvious transmission in schools. So, open the school and what do you do with at-risk teachers with underlying health conditions? Do you force them to teach and choose between their job and their health? And if the underlying condition is hereditary, do you potentially run into problems with the ADA?

These were the issues facing schools and school boards. And when you see large school transmission events, like the Israel study, or this German study which linked school opening to an increase in COVID outbreaks in the country. A study published in Sept, 2020, which recommended keeping schools open as long as there were mitigation measures to reduce the spread, rapid testing available for people who worked in schools, and school closures in areas with large outbreaks if needed.

Nobody ignored anything except people who have 20/20 hindsight, and forget that during the winter and spring of 2020, there was evidence that schools played a part of the spread of COVID. And at the time, COVID quickly became the third leading cause of death.

 

Nobody knew that shutting down the economy would hurt people.

 

No shit!

 

Nobody knew that amplifying the notion of other people as deadly disease vectors would foster distrust and enmity.

 

You do not destroy and set back the youth in the world for a few at risk. You protect the few and move on.

It is ridiculous anyone would support the worst public health policy ever put in place during our life times still to this day. It concerns me that some still cannot learn and see how awful the decision was!

 

Clearly some cannot comprehend. And will purposely misrepresent…