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Sad story-GOP Congresswoman, 2 aides killed in car crash

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Aug 3, 2022.

  1. BLING

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    We are likely doomed as a society because one of our two political parties can hardly contain itself from embodying the likes of Alex Jones and Donald Trump. Basing policy on lies and conspiracy theories cannot end well, whatever the motive. 1/6 was but a sampling of where that leads.
     
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  2. BLING

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    Lol, probably true unfortunately. There is no shortage of them.
     
  3. wgbgator

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    Part of the reason we are 'here' is that we have an insane political system in which someone dying can vastly shift the direction of political policy, which is a ridiculous thing.
     
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  4. murphree_hall

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    R.I.P. to the Congresswoman and her aides.

    You are disgusted with this young black kid who got lynched even though she admitted that she lied?

    “Carolyn Bryant testified in 1955 that 14-year-old Emmett Till grabbed her and verbally threatened her three days before her husband and brother-in-law abducted and tortured the teenager to death. Five decades later, she confessed, “That part’s not true.”
     
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  5. BLING

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    On that note. There were exactly zero conservatives giddy when Ruth Bader Ginsberg died. :emoji_upside_down::emoji_upside_down::emoji_upside_down:

    Interestingly, this woman’s death hardly excites me one way or the other. I’m just here for the cynicism and hypocrisy.
     
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  6. antny1

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    Today's political "discussions" are pretty ugly from what I see in first hand accounts as well as on social media. The venom spewed is pretty scary.
     
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  7. antny1

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    They both have their moments although I agree the far right has currently taken the lead
     
  8. Gator515151

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    I have explained that many times. When Tyson wrote his book he claimed she changed her story, he audio taped his interviews with her but none of them show she changed her story. This so called change of story is only mentioned in a short hand written note. The only witness to the interview says Bryant did not change her story but Tyson wrote it in his book anyway.
     
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  9. WarDamnGator

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    This is more than just a meaningless symbolic vote, this was part of an organized attempt to overthrow democracy, where people actually died. They should never be forgiven.
     
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  10. phatGator

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    No
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    That would seem to call into question God's omnipotence and benevolence. I thought the whole point in believing was the idea that there was some order rather than chaos and randomness.
     
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  12. murphree_hall

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    “Carolyn Bryant never spoke publicly about the incident. But in 2007, at age 72, she told Duke University senior research scholar Timothy Tyson that she had lied about Till having made verbal and physical advances on her. In a new book, The Blood of Emmett Till, Tyson writes that she told him, “Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him.”

    You seem very willing to believe that he did it.
     
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  13. GatorBen

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    The Electoral Count Act requires concurrence in the objection by both houses of Congress, and the Republicans didn’t control the House. That seems like, by definition, a meaningless symbolic vote.

    On the other hand, the argument that Pence could unilaterally reject the counting of a state’s electoral votes turned on the argument that section 15 of the Electoral Count Act (including the objection procedure) is supposedly itself facially unconstitutional.

    Their objections either couldn’t succeed if you were following the Electoral Count Act, or were entirely superfluous in the first place if you bought into the (quite tenuous) idea that Pence had unilateral authority to reject electors as the sole entity supposedly empowered to receive and count votes.
     
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  14. PITBOSS

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    yep. For a democratic based society to continue, the vast majority of its citizens have to accept the outcome of elections. even if their side lost. These maga repubs follow baseless conspiracies that aren’t based in logic and don’t hold up under scrutiny. But they still believe them. How do you address that?!? Tea Party had ideas many disagreed with - but they were at least based in reality.
     
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  15. phatGator

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    Not at all. Philosophers have given up on trying to show any inconsistency between the existence of evil, whether natural or man made, and the existence of an omnipotent, benevolent God.

    There are some Christians who believe that God micromanages everything, but I believe the broader view is that God macromanages. I believe that God is working his overall plan for his creation, but that does not include micromanaging everything that happens.

    The apostle Paul said in Romans 8:28 (ESV): “And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.” Notice it doesn’t say for everybody, but for those who love God.

    We live in a fallen world, and so as a result we have death. God also granted people limited free will and allows people to exercise that free will even if it causes harm to others.

    Someone in this thread mentioned that the accident was caused by somebody texting. That person had free will to text, and that free will resulted in loss of life.

    If you believe that an omnipotent, benevolent God should not allow bad things to happen, then the world becomes nothing more than a terrarium with us as God’s pets. Would you be willing to give up your free will to ensure nothing bad happens?
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    Well yes, because it cant be reconciled, which leads most people to conclude that God and divine intervention is superstition or that if there is a higher power it is largely ambivalent about human affairs, or they take a non-theistic approach to religion as a Buddhist might. The problem for Christians is that the God of the bible clearly does intervene in human affairs when he feels like it.
     
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    On the contrary, the existence of free will does reconcile the existence of evil with the existence of a omnipotent, benevolent God. And while your conclusion accurately describes your outlook, I doubt it describes the reaction of “most people.”
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    Well, it supposes that God doesn't also have 'free will' to intervene, so no it doesn't lol. Because if he did have free will to intervene and didn't, he's a real bastard.
     
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  19. phatGator

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    No it does not suppose that God doesn’t have free will.

    So you think God should prevent every accident or illness that happens? Should God have prevented the person from texting or merely steered the car while the person texted?

    If God would prevent all accidents, what should God do with high school kids who intentionally drive into each other just to watch God react and prevent the harm.

    Should God prevent all deaths? All illness or disease? If God prevented anyone from ever getting sick, how long do people get to live? 80 years, 90 years?

    What other things does God prevent from happening? Does God prevent people from getting drunk? If a drunk person wants to drive, does God disable his car? Does God prevent harm being done to an unborn child?

    It might sound nice to say that an omnipotent, benevolent God would allow no harm to ever occur in the world, but it becomes almost ridiculous thinking of actual applications of that idea.
     
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  20. GatorNorth

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    Or they could have simply been following Eastman's playbook that 1. deems the Electoral Count Act "likely unconstitutional" and 2. asserts that the VP has powers under the Constitution that allow him to a) actually do the counting of electoral college votes, and b) resolve "disputed electoral votes", because the then president of the United States was trying to assemble an alternate slate of electors based upon election fraud that simply didn't, doesn't and won't ever exist.

    John Eastman Gives CNN Longer Six-Page Memo on How He Hoped to Help Mike Pence Steal the Election for Trump | Election Law Blog

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/...fidential.--.jan.3.memo.on.jan.6.scenario.pdf

    You seem to want to give them a rather dismissive hall pass for trying to overturn a lawful election.
     
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