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Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by akaGatorhoops, Apr 28, 2022.

  1. chargator

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    When everyone agrees to “ a pure, free, unregulated market” , it’s naive to not understand there is a certain level of “ madness and anarchy “ that goes with it.
     
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  2. WESGATORS

    WESGATORS Moderator VIP Member

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    Only agree with this if it will be applied to the coaches as well. If coaches can freely come and go, then the players should be able to as well.

    With all of the money out there on the table, the next step is to allow schools or NIL groups to lock down players on a pay-for-play basis. You want to hold out? Fine, you don't get paid. You want to transfer? Better work that into your contract. Can't wait to see how all this stuff plays out, but right now the ones getting screwed are the fans. We'll see if that matters or not.

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  3. murphree_hall

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    Coaches can’t really freely come and go, though. They have contracts for specified periods of performance. Yes, some do negotiate early departures, but the employing school has to agree to the terms. They technically can’t be forced to release a coach who wants to leave.
     
  4. WESGATORS

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    So, I guess my point would be that the NCAA doesn't restrict the movement of coaches, nor should they restrict the movement of players. The entities themselves may restrict the movement of the coaches (complete with financial penalties), and so the entities themselves should be tasked with contracting players in a similar way. Whether those entities are the schools' athletic departments or NIL groups doesn't much matter to me.

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  5. murphree_hall

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    I think we are arguing semantics. The issue isn’t whether the NCAA restricts transfers or if the schools are empowered to restrict transfers, it’s that the transfers need to be restricted, period. But, I’d argue that it’s worse if they leave it up to the schools. That could get even uglier, and the schools will be vilified for “holding players hostage”. No need to put the schools in that position. NCAA should be the ones who set the policy for all schools so that there is uniformity in application and practice. If you let the schools do it, then players will just simply negotiate no-transfer restriction clauses in their contracts with the school.
     
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  6. WESGATORS

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    Personally, I don't agree with this. They wanted to be treated like professionals, and professional contacts aren't considered something that holds another person "hostage." It's all part of the game that they want to sign up for (if they choose to sign up for it). I imagine, short of an official governing body ruling, we'll see more NIL contracts that contain language that has the effect of retaining a player's rights and penalizing for holdouts or what have you. It might take a certain number of folks getting taken advantage of (not players) to get to that point, though.

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  7. murphree_hall

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    In theory, you are right, but in practice, I believe I am right. Not only that, the schools will get bogged down in lawsuits and probably just let the players go to avoid the legal fees or bad press. It’s already happening now. If a kid wants to transfer, the schools largely just let them go.
     
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  8. melrosemafia

    melrosemafia All American

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    That's what I wrote before people will want more if someone else gets more than they did.
    They have to have a cap or it will blow up
     
  9. WESGATORS

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    Not the school's problem, though, is it? The school can release a student from the scholarship and/or help student get access to the portal. But the contract between the player and the NIL group might not be dissolved that easily. I have to imagine the schools will love the new dynamic provided that the money coming in for *their* players via NIL exceeds the money lost by folks not giving as much to the athletic department directly (still waiting to see how that one turns out).

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  10. Singaporegator

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    Just a thought but have you considered turning your attention to our women’s team? It is a top 25 team and will compete at the highest level this year (we did make the dance last year). It has a caring and engaging coach who the players (kids?) seem to love to play for. Most of the players are genuine college students who may plan to make a living in sports but not as a professional basketball player. They have not been corrupted by the sneaker wars or various high school age grooming teams.
    And although they may benefit from NIL it does not seem to be the driving force in the sport. Finally, they (our university’s team) are really good.
    Anyway, give it a thought.
     
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  11. iam4uf

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    The fans made NCAA sports. Ultimately, we're are getting shafted / being forgotten by all of this. Money has now probably replaced the fans.
     
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  12. bposs

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    Interesting thing about women’s sports and NIL, what if the top player on the woman’s team demands same NIL as the top player of the Men’s team? I’m not a big fan of title9, but certainly understand why it’s there. Now use Title9 to bust schools that are funneling huge amounts of NIL to the men and not the women. NIL is being abused, and the NCAA need to do something about it immediately.
     
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    And don’t get me started about men competing in womens sports. It’s nuts that ncaa allowed a dude to swim against women. How can you make sure your title9 numbers are good if we can’t define what a woman is?
     
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  14. spike718

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    Plus...some coaches have buyouts to leave. Maybe a solution will be someone putting in player NIL buyouts into deals. Never happen but that could prevent some player movement.
     
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  15. spike718

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    well, I think since NIL money is not coming from school themselves title IX doesn’t apply. Boosters or fans or business have no obligation to adhere to title IX
     
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  16. g8rnc

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    Bring back the sit out a year transfer rule!!! Add an exception that allows players to transfer without penalty if their head coach leaves.
     
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  17. grant1

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    At least the billionaire that funded the NIL deal basically told him to F-Off as he doesn't renegotiate.
     
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  18. murphree_hall

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    I like that idea.
     
  19. 62gator

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    The culture of greed will only grow now and be the ultimate downfall.
     
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  20. jeffphillips21

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    that's exactly what i mean....humans are involved, and humans cannot be left completely unchecked
     
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