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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. ncargat1

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    Great choice to align with by the way. Did you also pretend to treat COVID patients at UCLA and derive all of your non-existent first hand experience from that fabricated experience?

    Simply a stellar role model....if you are aspiring to be self-promoting, self-enriching at the expense of public health.

    UCLA sources: DeSantis’s handpicked surgeon general mischaracterized his experience treating Covid-19 patients
     
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  2. flgator2

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    U.S. judge blocks Biden vaccine mandate for federal workers in latest blow to White House Covid agenda (msn.com)
    • Afederal judge in Texas blocked the Biden administration from enforcing an executive order requiring federal employees to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
    • Biden's executive order "amounts to a presidential mandate that all federal employees consent to vaccination against COVID-19 or lose their jobs," the judge wrote.
    • The ruling marks the latest setback for President Joe Biden, whose efforts to boost U.S. vaccination rates through sweeping workplace safety rules have been repeatedly stymied in the courts.

    Brown's ruling said it was a "bridge too far" to let the president, "with the stroke of a pen and without the input of Congress, require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment."
     
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  4. buckeyegator

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    no authoratarion joe it looks like
     
  5. OklahomaGator

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    I tested positive for Covid with an at home test Wednesday night. Symptoms were cough, runny nose, sneezing, and a slight fever (not over 100). Obviously stayed home from work yesterday and today. I feel much better today, no temp and an occasional cough and sneeze. I plan on testing again tomorrow. I have two shots of Moderna plus the moderna booster. I really never felt that bad, but tested because I had a lot of contact with covid positive people.
     
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  6. flgator2

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    The same for my wife see tested twice 17 days apart both were negative then got another one about a week later it tested positive, no fever just a sore throat, mild cough and some fatigue for a couple of days
     
  7. OklahomaGator

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    The same with me, had tested twice previously weeks apart and were negative. I originally tested myself because I wanted to see how difficult that at home test was to do if we were going to have to have employees do it due to the OSHA vaccine requirement. Both the previous tests were negative even though I had the same allergy symptoms, cough and runny nose.
     
  8. coleg

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    Seriously, strawman much? Where has anyone ever stated opposition to "At this point and time many others are seeing that it is time for a new generation of drug. " The only intelligent approach is to utilize the approved methods that are actually available, a vaccine proven to provide protection against lethal and hospital outcomes vs the current variants. To suggest MAB as the route, the suggestion involves the conscious decision to choose infection vs non-infection.
     
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  9. flgator2

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    Before I sold my business, I bought several of the home test from Sam's so I could test my employees, they worked really well.
     
  10. l_boy

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    As to your latter assertions:


    - as to saving doses for others around the world, I don't think it is that easy. You can't just take the MRNA vaccines and ship them overseas once here.

    - the other problem is initially roughly half of adults chose not to get vaccinated. That put everyone at risk, and accelerated the need for second shots and eventually boosters.

    As far as I know no public health agencies or doctors are recommending just one shot for healthy over 30. While there may be same "logic" to it it is something you made up.
     
  11. mutz87

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  12. mdgator05

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    Okay, since you are being open and not being dogmatic or intentionally dense and are perfectly willing to address data, let's see if you are willing to engage on actual data. So here is the data on hospitalization by vaccine status in Alberta, Canada:

    COVID-19 Alberta statistics

    Now, this data contains age (something that you said you wanted) and is over the last 120 days, so it should be almost entirely Delta and Omicron. So let's do some math (based on your GRE score, none of this should be above your head). Let's start with just age:

    If you are 80+, this data shows that 2 doses of the vaccine lowers your risk of hospitalization by 64% (i.e., about 2/3 of people that would have been hospitalized with no vaccine are not hospitalized post-vaccine). If you have a booster, it lowers your risk of hospitalization by 95% compared to no vaccine and by 87% compared to 2 doses. The math is fairly simple (Hospitalization per 100K unvaccinated-hospitalization per 100K vaccinated)/(Hospitalization per 100K unvaccinated).

    But, you say, maybe it only improves outcomes for the elderly. Let's look at people in their 30s. 2 doses of the vaccine lowers your risk of hospitalization by just short of 92%. A booster shot would lower your risk further, by just short of 98% compared to unvaccinated and by 72% compared to a vaccinated person.

    So since you are open, could you please actually engage with the data (not with abstract talking points). Your claim is that the vaccine doesn't limit serious outcome risk. Please explain how we end up with that sort of data if your claim is true. If you are truly being "open" and not "dense" and you have mathematical capability, you should be able to engage with this data and either make cogent arguments as to why the data is incorrect or misleading in some way or admit that this data shows that your point is incorrect and/or misleading in some way.

    I eagerly anticipate the response of a person that is being open and wants decisions on this topic to be driven by data.
     
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  13. l_boy

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    Booster shots are instrumental in protecting against Omicron, new C.D.C. data suggest.

    Yet more evidence that vaccines does work against Omicron.

    Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines aren’t just preventing infections with the contagious Omicron variant — they’re also keeping infected Americans from ending up in the hospital, according to data published on Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    The extra doses are 90 percent effective against hospitalization with the variant, the agency reported.

    On Thursday night, the C.D.C. published additional data showing that in December, unvaccinated Americans 50 years and older were about 45 times more likely to be hospitalized than those who were vaccinated and got a third shot.


    Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization with the Omicron variant fell to just 57 percent in people who had received their second dose more than six months earlier, the authors found. A third shot restored that protection to 90 percent.
     
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  14. mutz87

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    Also, between Nov 27 and Dec 25, the likelihood of dying from covid decreased by 4.05% for fully vaxxed and by 33.33% for boosted while it increased by 19.80% for unvaccinated. I posted a link to the CDC data above.
     
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  15. citygator

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  17. mutz87

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    You are reading it correctly. Unfortunately with there being such a massive spike in omicron cases, even at the lower rate of death compared to delta, well over 2k people a day are dying (over 3k yesterday according to World-o-Meter), with a large majority being unvaxxed.

    There's also the continued & added burden on our healthcare system that makes it tougher to get back to normal, yet in some ways, however, we continue to head toward normalcy despite it, even if it means a lot of unnecessary severe illness and death.
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    The current vaccine is designed for a spike protein from the alpha variant. There is a reason it is not working. Just like the Public Health England data showed...the delta variant was not concerned with vaccine all that much either. Even more so with omicron. We need updated drugs when it comes to the new "vaccine" drugs. The good news is the new variant is not as severe and we have therapeutics.
     
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  19. gator95

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    It’s not half of adults vaccinated. It’s close to 70% of adults vaccinated. And yes we could’ve shipped a lot of those doses to central and South America in a number of hours. Very easy to do.

    I didn’t say 1 shot for over 30, under 30. I posted earlier this week that the risk of myocarditis is higher from the vaccine for teens and men under 30 that covid itself.


    U.S. COVID-19 vaccine tracker: See your state’s progress
     
  20. coleg

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    I find it remarkable that you can post with your fingers in both ears chanting "LA,LA, LA"
    How many times can you read the data incorrectly, when the correct application is explained, or fail to see UK is not on the same vaccine as the US, and ignore CDC links in the above posts? Do you accept this level of intellectual dishonesty in your middle school aged children?
     
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