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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. dangolegators

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    Of course it does. This is just basic math. Adding 300 deaths would change the deaths per million in Florida from 2293 to 2307.
     
  2. dangolegators

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    No, it will be higher. It will likely be higher the next time Florida does a data dump on covid deaths, possibly later today.
     
  3. gator95

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    It’s not misleading at all. That’s a fallacy. It’s the way the CDC would like deaths to be reported. More accurate data is better data. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it misleading.
     
  4. l_boy

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    Covid-19 Study in England Shows Few Deaths Among Vaccinated People

    This UK study shows very robust protection from vaccinations.

    The study, by the U.K.’s Office for National Statistics, recorded 640 deaths among fully vaccinated individuals between Jan. 2 and July 2, or 1.2% of 51,281 Covid-19 deaths overall. Of those 640, some were of people infected before their second dose or before the protection from a second dose had kicked in, the ONS said. The agency identified 256 as breakthrough deaths, in which the person died after testing positive for the virus at least 14 days after their second dose, or 0.5% of all Covid-19 deaths.


    The ONS analysis found that after adjusting for age, the mortality rate from Covid-19 among fully vaccinated individuals in the week ended July 2 was 0.2 per 100,000 people, an eighth of the rate among the unvaccinated. Age-standardized mortality rates allow statisticians to exclude the possibility that differences in age between vaccinated and unvaccinated people explain discrepancies in death rates between the two groups.


    Note 1/8 represents roughly 88% reduction in death, for recent periods with Delta, which very consistent with numerous studies in Israel and elsewhere.
     
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  5. gatordavisl

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    It's spreading in the upper midwest too. I've been viewing the NY Times Covid map throughout the pandemic. When delta began to surge, it was pretty much the southeast that was orange and red. The northeast, upper midwest and much of the western states were light yellow. Now the northwest is a mess and the upper midwest is increasing in darkness. Minnesota was relatively low, but not anymore. Delta appears to be winning the race against the vax. Hopefully we don't end up riding a bunch of waves. Like everyone else, I'm ready for a sudden and decisive decline. (optimism)
     
  6. dangolegators

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    August 31 now shows 318 deaths. Florida added around 1600 deaths today, crossing 50k deaths for a total of 50,811.
     
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  7. gatordavisl

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    I disagree with many of your posts in the other threads, but seriously appreciate what you do. It's also good to read from people who are on the front lines of the medical response. Thank you.
     
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  8. jeffbrig

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    There's no "taking them off" of the recorded day, because they are never recorded. Deaths are backdated at the time they are reported. This will ALWAYS show the impression that FL deaths are plummeting in recent days/weeks. It's a total illusion, because the data is simply not complete...

    Scroll down to the daily death chart, and turn on the 7 day average.
    Florida COVID: 3,519,467 Cases and 50,811 Deaths - Worldometer

    The graph suggests that FL deaths near the end of august, and have plummeted to near nothing in recent days. This is a false suggestion because the data simply doesn't exist yet. The way FL is reporting deaths, no one knows the current state of things.
     
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  9. slightlyskeptic

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    Crap. Now you're making me feel like a dick. :oops:..........:)

    Seriously though, thank you. It's appreciated. But I don't ever want to come off as appearing to be seeking thanks for doing a job that I chose to do. I just like to relate stuff that goes on at work that might add a little insight that some people might find interesting. Plus, I like to hear myself talk. ;)
     
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  10. jeffbrig

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    Don't worry about that, you don't come off as seeking anything. But seriously, a heartfelt thank you for what you do - regardless of whatever we may agree or disagree about. I don't think I could do what you do... and I appreciate the insights you share.
     
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  11. slightlyskeptic

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    OK, this shit stops now!

    But thank you. And bonus thank you points for the "not seeking anything" comment. :D
     
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  12. gatordavisl

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    Perhaps we're having a moment of reflective catharsis. :) If anyone needs it, I do. :devil:
     
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  13. slightlyskeptic

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    Yeah, I did pull that number one out of my ass. But you won't find a lot of "quality" people "more than willing" to work for your $30/hour at a job that requires cleaning up poopy adult diapers, changing urine soaked beds, bathing demented adults, and feeding those same people three times a day. And that's just the basics. But the point is moot. Nursing homes can't pay more anyway. As it is now around 90% of them are operating in the red. My son just so happens to be a financial analyst in the nursing home industry. He specializes in working with non-profits. So these are nursing homes that don't have a profit motive or need to make shareholders happy. And even they are all working on razor thin margins as it is and having to cut costs to keep the doors open. Medicare basically covers your first ten days then a small fraction up to 100 days then nothing. Medicaid won't even come close to covering costs if in fact you can even qualify. So my point is, just saying it's easy to just pay more and hire "quality" people who agree to get vaccinated is a whooooole lot easier said than done.
     
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  14. slightlyskeptic

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    What is going on here? I'm frightened...

     
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  15. dangolegators

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    Yeah, therefore we should just let unvaccinated people take care of my parents. Got it.

    No, we should mandate that they be vaccinated. And give them incentive to be vaccinated. And if they still choose not to be then they don't have to clean up doodoo anymore. They can go work at McDonalds instead.
     
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  16. slightlyskeptic

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    Fine. Why don't you just go to the management of the nursing home your folks are in and demand that they make all of their employees get vaccinated? I'm not against it. I'm just pointing out that saying it is a lot easier than doing it. Otherwise it would have been done when the vaccines first came out. Just like when hospitals who fired non-vaccinated nurses found out when they shockingly had a nursing shortage.
     
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  17. slightlyskeptic

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    Just one more reason kids should be back in school and "virtual" learning for perfectly healthy kids is bad.

    Longitudinal Trends in Body Mass Index...

    Summary
    What is already known about this topic?

    The COVID-19 pandemic led to school closures, disrupted routines, increased stress, and less opportunity for physical activity and proper nutrition, leading to weight gain among children and adolescents.

    What is added by this report?

    Among a cohort of 432,302 persons aged 2–19 years, the rate of body mass index (BMI) increase approximately doubled during the pandemic compared to a prepandemic period. Persons with prepandemic overweight or obesity and younger school-aged children experienced the largest increases.
     
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  18. gator7_5

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    Escambia county down to around 200 hospitalizations from around 400 two weeks ago. Quite a fall off.
     
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  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    No offense to CNAs, or LPNs(who primarily work in these settings), but the day to day of these caregivers in SNF and ALF isn’t as complex as in acute hospitals. You ain’t getting the cream to go work in long term care facilities, they also don’t offer have the benefits or the pay that acute offers.
    I’ll add that while RNs do work in SNF, there aren’t nearly as many and they aren’t the same caliber as the ones in acute facilities. Sometimes a strong nurse will pick up part time shifts in nursing homes but that’s about the extent. I’m generalizing but I’m on the money.
     
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  20. gator95

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    Here is the problem. You and others refuse to accept that someone with natural immunity be even considered to "take care of my parents". That's ridiculous. Especially considering that natural immunity is vastly superior to someone who is vaccinated. This IS the problem in NY, hospitals and anywhere mandating vaccinations. Anyone NOT also allowing natural immunity to count is being either ignorant or being stupid.
     
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