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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. dangolegators

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    I thought it was Fauci who invented covid, so they can take over the world. Same as the folks who invented global warming so they can take over the world.
     
  2. flgator2

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    Stop the Fearmongering: Johns Hopkins Doctor Shreds Latest COVID Madness Peddled by CDC and Fauci by Matt Vespa (townhall.com)
    Well, take a break from being mad and read what Johns Hopkins doctor Dr. Marty Makary wrote about new studies about natural immunity which if ignored by Fauci and company. He also rehashed an old Fauci statistic that shreds the current push for new mask protocols and possible lockdowns (via WSJ) [emphasis mine]:

    The news about the U.S. Covid pandemic is even better than you’ve heard. Some 80% to 85% of American adults are immune to the virus: More than 64% have received at least one vaccine dose and, of those who haven’t, roughly half have natural immunity from prior infection. There’s ample scientific evidence that natural immunity is effective and durable, and public-health leaders should pay it heed.

    Natural immunity is durable. Researchers from Washington University in St. Louis reported last month that 11 months after a mild infection immune cells were still capable of producing protective antibodies. The authors concluded that prior Covid infection induces a “robust” and “long-lived humoral immune response,” leading some scientists to suggest that natural immunity is probably lifelong. Because infection began months earlier than vaccination, we have more follow-up data on the duration of natural immunity than on vaccinated immunity.

    Skeptics of natural immunity point to Manaus, capital of the Brazilian state of Amazonas, where reports in January suggested a wave of re-infections despite herd immunity. But the initial estimate of those infected was incorrect because it was based on antibody testing among those who donated convalescent plasma—an unrepresentative subgroup of the population. A follow-up study debunked the re-infection hypothesis and found only three confirmed re-infections in the entire state, whose population exceeds four million. Other studies have confirmed that re-infections are rare and usually asymptomatic or mild.

    Some health officials warn of possible variants resistant to natural immunity. But none of the hundreds of variants observed so far have evaded either natural or vaccinated immunity with the three vaccines authorized in the U.S.

    Should the previously infected be vaccinated? My clinical advice to healthy patients with natural immunity is that one shot is sufficient, and maybe not even necessary, although it could increase the long-term durability of immunity. A University of Pennsylvania study of people previously infected with Covid found that a single vaccine dose triggered a strong immune response, with no increase in that response after a second dose. A separate study from New York’s Mount Sinai School of Medicine concluded that “the antibody response to the first vaccine dose in individuals with pre-existing immunity is equal to or even exceeds the titers found in naïve”—never-infected—“individuals after the second dose.”

    I'm glad that more experts are pointing out how well natural immunity works and may last a life time and getting 1 shot would most likely improve your chances but may not be necessary
     
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  3. g8trjax

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    To Defeat Delta Variant, Experts Recommend Doing All The Things That Didn't Work The First Time

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    "We are going to lock down, wear masks, and social distance, all of which didn't work, but hey. It's worth trying again," said Dr. Anthony Fauci in a television interview this morning. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. That's what they taught us in science school. Look at my lab coat. It's white. Do you like it? It has pockets."
    The television anchor then assured Dr. Fauci that his pockets were very nice. :emoji_joy:
     
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  4. Diesel350z

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    I don’t think anybody cares what you do.
     
  5. Diesel350z

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    Who are these people? How did they invent it?

    did you know the vaccines do not provide 100% protection? Since when is a vaccine required to provide 100% protection?
     
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  6. Diesel350z

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    Ok that’s great and all but why are hospitalizations going through the roof? Unvaccinated Americans need to stop listening to quacks on YouTube and Facebook and get vaccinated immediately.
     
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  7. WC53

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    Quack starts with Q, coincidence? I think not
     
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  8. VAg8r1

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    Perhaps they didn't work "the first time" because they were never fully implemented. Just using mask mandates as an example, led by the former president, a number of Republican governors actually prohibited local governments within their states from enforcing the mandates and additionally followers of the former president based on a bizarre concept of "freedom" and implicitly encouraged to do so by their Dear Leader openly defied mandates that were in place.
     
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  9. WC53

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    Almost like the current surge is among the unvaccinated, damn libbie plot
     
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  10. pkaib01

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    It's alarming that you welcome the warm embrace of death.

    One who values their own lives and the lives of others will, at a minimum, be open to the truth when confronted with a deadly pathogen. Your willingness to risk the wellbeing of others based on simpleton dogma is disgusting.
     
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  11. flgator2

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    Then why are so many that have been vaxed still catching covid, listening to the wrong quacks also I guess
     
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  12. Diesel350z

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  13. Diesel350z

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    Define many? Asymptomatic transmission does not mean the vaccine isn’t working.
     
  14. flgator2

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    I'm driving right now so I can't do any research
    But since it's obvious those are catching covid again with the vaccines compared to those who have natural immunity I bet the numbers aren't even close
     
  15. Diesel350z

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    No need, the research has already been done for you and it’s less than 5%.
     
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  17. Diesel350z

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    Looks like it’s still going through trials.
     
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  18. philnotfil

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    Pastor threatens to kick out mask-wearing worshippers from church

     
  19. flgator2

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    Good news: Mild COVID-19 induces lasting antibody protection – Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis (wustl.edu)
    “Last fall, there were reports that antibodies wane quickly after infection with the virus that causes COVID-19, and mainstream media interpreted that to mean that immunity was not long-lived,” said senior author Ali Ellebedy, PhD, an associate professor of pathology & immunology, of medicine and of molecular microbiology. “But that’s a misinterpretation of the data. It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau. Here, we found antibody-producing cells in people 11 months after first symptoms. These cells will live and produce antibodies for the rest of people’s lives. That’s strong evidence for long-lasting immunity.”
     
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    Covid immunity: Can you catch it twice? - BBC News

    Have people caught it twice?
    There were early reports of people appearing to have multiple coronavirus infections in a short space of time.

    But the scientific consensus is that testing was the issue, with patients being incorrectly told they were free of the virus.

    PHE's ongoing study on immunity in healthcare workers found 44 potential re-infections in a group of 6,614 people who had previously had the virus.

    Researchers conclude reinfection is uncommon but still possible and say people must continue to follow current guidance, whether they have had antibodies or not.

    Scientists from Hong Kong recently reported on the case of a young, healthy man who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 only to be re-infected more than four months later. Using genome sequencing of the virus, they could prove he caught it twice because the virus strains were different.

    Experts say re-infection isn't surprising, but it's likely to be rare, and larger studies are needed to understand why this might happen.