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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06 VIP Member

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    It's pretty simple. My responses to @gator95 were about measurement issues. If I made any assumptions it's about what type of data would need to be collected, but feel free to actually address these issues specifically and show me how I was wrong.

    Your accusation is silly.
     
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  2. gator95

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    You have no idea if that’s right or wrong. Pure guess. What we do know is that a study in Japan showed 47% of the people in the study had antibodies but none of the people even had symptoms. So that tells someone who isn’t partisan that some areas of the world have a natural immunity to the virus. And by immunity I mean they might have the virus but it doesn’t affect them at all.
     
  3. studegator

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    South Dakota Nurse: Dying COVID-19 Patients ‘Still Don’t Believe The Virus Is Real’ | HuffPost
    South Dakota Nurse: Dying COVID-19 Patients ‘Still Don’t Believe The Virus Is Real’
    “I can’t help but think of the Covid patients the last few days,” she tweeted. “The ones that stick out are those who still don’t believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is … Going to ruin the USA.”

    She added: “All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that ‘stuff’ because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real.”
    Some state officials and residents in South Dakota — a coronavirus hot spot in which a majority of voters cast ballots for President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election — have been vocal about downplaying the threat of the virus.


     
  4. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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  5. VAg8r1

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    Just shows that the influence of a charismatic demagogue can never be underestimated, especially combined with an echo chamber which perpetuates false narratives that the recipients of which believe are true.
     
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  6. g8trjax

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    BS meter is in the red on this one.
     
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  7. rivergator

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    why do you think that?
     
  8. VAg8r1

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    This is a link to the study.
    Tokyo citizens may have developed COVID-19 herd immunity, say researchers
    It also included the following caveat:
    Adding another caveat that I have absolutely no expertise in medicine or microbiology there may an explanation. In Japan the wearing of masks in nearly universal. It may be that while not providing an absolute barrier to the transmission of Covid-19, masks may reduce the viral transmission to the point in which those affected individuals end up with a very small viral load, so low that it doesn't cause symptoms but enough that it provokes an immunoresponse.
     
  9. gator95

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    If masks worked in that way the US and Europe wouldn't have nearly that many people hospitalized. I get it hasn't been "peer reviewed" yet but the data is the data.
     
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  12. g8trjax

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    She forgot to say they all flashed the white power sign and screamed out obama was born in kenya.
     
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  13. pkaib01

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    Insightful.

    If you are compelled to add fictional data to a claim, you might be suffering the pangs of cognitive dissonance. I'm surprised you just didn't go with the common huffpo ad hominem.
     
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  14. rivergator

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    So you don't actually have any reason, you'd just rather not believe what she says.
     
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  15. mutz87

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    What's a guess?

    In any case, while it's true enough about Japan, this has been found similarly in the US and has to do with T-cells. We still don't know the full scope of any of this and it doesn't change the situation that you can't look at the US & Europe's high numbers and conclude *masks don't work* You have to control for a many factors to be able to make such a determination. That's not a guess. It's the way research works.
     
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  16. mutz87

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  17. buckeyegator

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    I am sure Nancy will criticize this ,not
     
  18. PITBOSS

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    some of our posters should read this. Don’t end up in a hospital bed thinking “I wish I took basic precautions”
     
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  19. chemgator

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    It looks like developing a vaccine for coronavirus is only slightly less complicated than developing superconductors and room-temperature fusion. The Pfizer vaccine has to be stored at -94 degrees F. Do you trust the yahoos at your local pharmacy to maintain that temperature, even if the gov't provides them with a refrigerator that can maintain that temperature when its working properly? Is the vaccine carried on liquid carbon dioxide or something? How does your body react to having ice crystals shoved into your veins (I'm assuming it isn't shoved somewhere else)?

    How a Covid-19 vaccine could change travel for good

     
  20. RIP

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    Which is why I think the Moderna vaccine ends up being the go to.
     
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