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Noem Reveals Trump's Policies Sparked Tidal-Wave of Self-Deportation: Total Number Now 1.6MM+

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  1. flgator2

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    Noem Reveals Trump's Policies Sparked Tidal-Wave of Self-Deportation: Total Number Now in the Seven Figures

    “In less than 200 days, 1.6 MILLION illegal immigrants have left the United States population. This is massive,” Noem posted on X.

    “This means safer streets, taxpayer savings, pressure off of schools and hospital services and better job opportunities for Americans,” Noem continued, adding, “Thank you @POTUS Trump!”

    “When he was elected in November, he knew he had to make America safe again,” she said.

    Our boarders are even more secure than his first term, This is awesome
     
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  2. vaxcardinal

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    And still no issues finding someone to mow my lawn. Just amazing.
     
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  3. G8tas

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    This administration's numbers are always more inflated than a hot air balloon. No one believes that number
     
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    Effecting real change. ‘magine that.
     
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  5. gatorrob87

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    Or just completely making shit up! This administration along with MAGA are fact adverse. Don’t like the truth? Just fire people and “create” your own numbers.
     
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    President Trump is committing the cardinal sin of a politician. He’s actually fixing problems, instead of dragging them out endlessly for political gain. That is why they come at him the way they do. Open your eyes.
     
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  7. gaterzfan

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    Too bad this guy did not self-deport. What an incredibly stupid act leading to the death of three.

    https://www.wptv.com/news/region-st...wu0tov5BrRQrhhOVqQ_aem_32YUmDNKA-A83qC1nAre6A


    According to The Florida Highway Patrol's report, Singh attempted to make an illegal u-turn near mile-marker 170, which resulted in a mini-van crashing into the side of the commercial semi-truck.

    Two passengers inside the minivan, a 37-year-old woman from Pompano Beach and a 54-year-old man from Miami, died at the scene of the crash. The driver of the Chrysler, a 30-year-old man from Florida City, was flown to HCA Florida Lawnwood Hospital, where he died from his injuries.


    Florida State Troopers were able to obtain an arrest warrant for three counts of vehicular homicide. During the investigation, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) alongside State Troopers discovered Singh had been in the U.S. illegally since 2018.

    According to FLHSMV, Singh crossed the Mexico border illegally and had obtained a Commercial Driver's License in the state of California.
     
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  8. ajoseph

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    Someone in the statistician’s office did not lose a job today …
     
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    The left on too hot will always decry anything that makes Trump look good
     
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  10. G8tas

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    Some on the right will immediately defend as an auto reaction. Sometimes without knowing the full story making their defense seem silly
     
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    Tas- gave me a good laugh
     
  12. PITBOSS

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    agree. Would be helpful with more info other than based on:
    “Homeland Security Secretary Krisi Noem said….”
     
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  13. G8tas

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    Chatgpt

    Has the Trump administration inflated any statistics during this current term regarding immigration, the borders or immigration enforcement? Give me a short answer

    Yes. During this term, the Trump administration has repeatedly inflated immigration and border statistics—for example, claiming 21 million people entered the U.S. (actual CBP data shows far fewer unique individuals), overstating deportations in the first 100 days, and portraying “mass deportations” largely as a PR effort rather than reflected in enforcement numbers.

    Grok

    The Trump administration inflated immigration enforcement statistics in 2025, claiming 135,000 removals in the first 100 days when actual data shows only about 72,000, significantly less than reported and below Biden’s 2024 daily average. Arrest numbers were also exaggerated, with 76,212 actual arrests compared to the claimed 151,000. These discrepancies, coupled with reduced transparency from DHS, suggest a deliberate effort to overstate enforcement outcomes.
     
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    They are lying about their immigration numbers and you know it
     
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  15. grouchygator

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    She is one fine looking Chica.


    [​IMG]
     
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  16. slocala

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    Good, but where did she get her number? It’s from a study from the Center of Immigration Studies.

    Here is the link for this that want to read it:
    “There are a few important caveats. First, given recent stepped-up enforcement efforts, it is possible that the observed decline in the foreign-born was due, at least in part, to a greater reluctance by immigrants to participate in the survey or to identify as foreign-born; 2) Some of the administrative data necessary to estimate illegal immigrants is not yet available, making our estimate for July only preliminary; and 3) Given the way the CPS is designed, employment gains among the U.S.-born, at least in part, may represent a statistical artifact rather than a real trend.”

    https://cis.org/Report/Overall-ForeignBorn-Population-Down-22-Million-January-July


    Trump has won on the border, although it has been inhumane in many ways.

    edit: off topic… but I find it interesting that the BLS statistics that are “good” are accepted, but when “bad”… OFF WITH HER HEAD!
     
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  17. G8tas

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    Was that picture taken before or after she shot her dog?
     
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  18. homer

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    Trump has eliminated or tried to eliminate healthcare and SS benefits for illegals. In addition he’s deported some to El Salvador and building holding areas like alligator Alcatraz.

    What do you think was going to happen?

    Would you come here or stay here knowing it’s just a matter of time before you’re caught and the benefits of healthcare and SS have been eliminated?
     
  19. slocala

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    I am confused by your comment because I was under the impression that “illegals”, (which I assume you define as undocumented and not in the US with a legal status) are not eligible for medical and social security. It’s nuanced. Here is what Grok thinks:

    Healthcare Eligibility for Migrants
    Eligibility for healthcare programs like Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) depends on a migrant's immigration status and other factors such as income and state residency:

    - **Lawfully Present Immigrants**:
    - **Qualified Non-Citizens** (e.g., Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs/green card holders), refugees, asylees, Cuban/Haitian entrants, victims of trafficking, and certain others) are generally eligible for Medicaid and CHIP if they meet state income and residency requirements. However, many face a **five-year waiting period** after obtaining qualified status before they can enroll, though exceptions exist for refugees, asylees, and COFA (Compact of Free Association) migrants who can enroll immediately.[](https://www.healthcare.gov/immigran...t/key-facts-on-health-coverage-of-immigrants/)
    - **Marketplace Coverage**: Lawfully present immigrants can purchase health insurance through the ACA Marketplace and may qualify for premium tax credits and cost-sharing reductions based on income. However, a recent court order has made DACA recipients and some other immigration statuses ineligible for Marketplace coverage in certain states.[](Health coverage for lawfully present immigrants)
    - **Emergency Medicaid**: Available to all immigrants, regardless of status, who meet other Medicaid eligibility criteria (e.g., income, state residency) for emergency medical conditions. This covers emergency care but not ongoing or preventive care. In 2023, Emergency Medicaid spending was $2.8 billion, less than 1% of total Medicaid spending.[](https://usafacts.org/articles/immig...g/resources/health-insurance-and-care-rights/)
    - **State-Funded Programs**: Some states, like California, offer expanded healthcare coverage to immigrants, including undocumented individuals. For example, as of January 1, 2024, California’s Medi-Cal provides full-scope coverage to all eligible residents regardless of immigration status. Other states may waive the five-year waiting period for children and pregnant individuals or fund Medicaid-like programs for those ineligible for federal Medicaid.[](https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-M...t/key-facts-on-health-coverage-of-immigrants/)

    - **Undocumented Immigrants**:
    - Generally ineligible for federal healthcare programs like Medicaid (except Emergency Medicaid), Medicare, and ACA Marketplace coverage or subsidies.[](https://immigrationforum.org/articl...-immigrants-and-federal-health-care-benefits/)
    - Can access emergency care at hospitals, community health centers, migrant health centers, or free clinics regardless of status. Federal law mandates that hospitals with emergency rooms treat anyone for emergency conditions, and community health centers provide care without requiring immigration status or a Social Security number.[](https://www.nilc.org/resources/health-insurance-and-care-rights/)
    - Some states provide state-funded health coverage to undocumented immigrants, varying widely in scope and eligibility.[](https://usafacts.org/articles/immig...t/key-facts-on-health-coverage-of-immigrants/)

    - **Mixed-Status Families**: U.S. citizen children of undocumented parents can receive federal benefits like Medicaid or CHIP without affecting their parents’ immigration status. Applying for coverage for a child does not require the parent to disclose their own immigration status.[](https://immigrationforum.org/articl...g/resources/health-insurance-and-care-rights/)

    - **Public Charge Considerations**: As of June 2025, enrolling in Medicaid, CHIP, or Marketplace coverage does not impact “public charge” determinations for most immigrants, except for those receiving long-term institutionalized care (e.g., nursing homes). However, fears of immigration consequences persist, with 27% of likely undocumented and 8% of lawfully present immigrant adults avoiding assistance programs due to immigration-related concerns in 2023.[](https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-M...t/key-facts-on-health-coverage-of-immigrants/)

    ### Social Security Eligibility for Migrants
    Eligibility for Social Security benefits (retirement, disability, or survivors’ benefits) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) also hinges on immigration status and work history:

    - **Lawfully Present Immigrants**:
    - **Social Security Benefits**: Noncitizens who are lawfully present and authorized to work in the U.S. can qualify for Social Security benefits if they earn enough work credits (typically 40 quarters, or about 10 years of work) by paying Social Security taxes. This includes LPRs, refugees, asylees, and others with work authorization. A Social Security number (SSN) is required, and noncitizens must meet all other eligibility criteria (e.g., age, disability).[](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check...le/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/)
    - **Supplemental Security Income (SSI)**: SSI, a need-based program for low-income individuals who are elderly, disabled, or blind, is available to certain lawfully present noncitizens, such as LPRs, refugees, asylees, and others (e.g., those paroled into the U.S., granted withholding of deportation, or specific humanitarian parolees like Afghans or Ukrainians). LPRs typically face a five-year waiting period, though refugees and asylees are exempt. Eligibility also requires meeting income and resource limits.[](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check...//www.ssa.gov/faqs/en/questions/KA-02447.html)

    - **Undocumented Immigrants**:
    - Ineligible for Social Security retirement benefits and most federal benefits, including SSI, due to lack of work authorization and an SSN. However, some who entered illegally but later received temporary legal status (e.g., asylum) may qualify for SSI if they meet specific criteria.[](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check...le/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/)
    - Many undocumented immigrants pay Social Security taxes through payroll deductions (using false or borrowed SSNs or as independent contractors), contributing an estimated $11.74 billion annually to state and local economies, but they cannot access these benefits.[](https://usafacts.org/articles/immig...le/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/)

    - **Noncitizen Participation Rates**: In 2023, noncitizens (including lawfully present and undocumented) made up 2–6.8% of beneficiaries in major federal programs, with lower participation rates than U.S. citizens due to eligibility restrictions and other barriers like income or work history requirements. For Social Security, noncitizens use benefits at a lower rate than citizens.[](Are immigrants eligible for government assistance? | USAFacts)

    ### Additional Notes
    - **State Variations**: Some states offer benefits beyond federal programs. For example, 26 states provide state-funded assistance (e.g., New York’s Safety Net Assistance, California’s CalFresh, or Cash Assistance Program for Immigrants) to immigrants, including some undocumented individuals.[](Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits)
    - **Tax Contributions**: Both documented and undocumented immigrants contribute to public benefit programs through taxes (sales, property, income, and payroll taxes). Studies show immigrants often pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits, with Arizona immigrants generating $2.4 billion in tax revenue against $1.4 billion in benefit use, and Florida immigrants paying $1,500 more per capita in taxes than they receive.[](Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits)
    - **Barriers to Access**: Noncitizen immigrants, especially undocumented ones, face higher uninsured rates (50% for likely undocumented vs. 8% for U.S.-born citizens in 2023) due to limited access to employer-sponsored insurance, lower incomes, language barriers, and immigration-related fears. This leads to lower healthcare use and expenditures compared to U.S.-born citizens.[](Key Facts on Health Coverage of Immigrants | KFF)
    - **Recent Policy Changes**: The 2025 One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBB) has modified access to some federal programs, potentially reducing federal Medicaid matching rates for states offering expanded coverage to immigrants, increasing state costs. Additionally, incoming Trump administration policies may increase enforcement and restrictions, potentially heightening fears and reducing program participation among immigrants.[](https://usafacts.org/articles/immig...t/key-facts-on-health-coverage-of-immigrants/)

    ### Critical Considerations
    - **Data Gaps and Narrative**: While sources like USAFacts, KFF, and CMS provide detailed eligibility criteria, the narrative around immigrant benefit use is often politicized. Claims like those made by former President Trump in 2024, suggesting immigrants “destroy” Social Security, lack context and overstate impacts, as noncitizens use benefits at lower rates and contribute significantly through taxes. Always cross-reference claims with primary data, as political rhetoric can distort perceptions.[](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-immigrants-getting-social-security-1918611)
    - **Privacy Concerns**: Federal law requires states to submit eligibility data (e.g., immigration status) to CMS for Medicaid, raising concerns about data sharing with agencies like DHS. California’s DHCS, for instance, sought clarification in June 2025 about potential data sharing with immigration enforcement, highlighting ongoing privacy worries.[](https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-Medi-Cal/Pages/Medi-Cal-Immigrant-Eligibility-FAQs.aspx)
    - **Practical Access**: Even when eligible, immigrants may avoid benefits due to confusion, fear of deportation, or language barriers. Community health centers and legal aid (e.g., Health Consumer Alliance at 1-888-804-3536) can help navigate these issues.[](https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-M...g/resources/health-insurance-and-care-rights/)

    For specific eligibility questions or assistance, contact your local county office, a trusted immigration lawyer, or resources like the National Immigration Law Center (www.nilc.org) or California’s Immigration Services Bureau.[](https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-M...g/resources/health-insurance-and-care-rights/)
     
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  20. homer

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    The OBBB from what I understand eliminates all health insurance coverage for anyone who is not a US citizen. The key is US citizen.

    I’ve watched a few videos on utube by professionals who covered the SS changes. From what I’ve seen (and I may be incorrect) anyone not a US citizen loses their SS benefits. I have no idea if that’s zero or a million.

    Edit: The bill doesn’t mention immigration and SS. What has occurred is during the scrutiny and investigation of SS benefits and immigrants with health insurance coverage it’s been reported that there have been discoveries of immigrants and others receiving SS benefits by using fraudulent info. Since it’s reported by the current admin who knows if it’s legit and by how many?
     
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