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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. fwbgator

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    I guess if we stop testing for Cancer, it will disappear also... Or stop testing for high blood pressure and cholesterol, the number of heart attacks will go way away... Stop testing for diabetes, those with diabetes will appreciate that, as they will no longer have it and the numbers will go away...
    I see your logic, it's great....
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    False equivalence as cancer is real, although I’m not sure that we’re doing ourselves any great favors jumping all over every lump and bump we find and freaking out at any given blood pressure or blood chemistry reading.

    Want to try again ? A more honest approach ?
     
  3. duggers_dad

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  4. SotaGator

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    So should we stop testing the people who are continuing to show up in emergency rooms, hospitals and doctors' offices with Covid symptoms, who are then diagnosed with and treated for actual Covid?

    Covid has not gone away, no matter what you believe. Or should the medical professionals just start calling it something else to satisfy you?
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    Covid is officially a cold/flu. That is how you treat it 99% of the time.

    There really is no need to test for Covid outside you get to the point you must go to the ER/Doctor due to extended fever/fluids/oxygen numbers drop crazy low. All very rare. Though a lot of people will go to the doctor prematurely imo. Which is fine as we all have different thoughts and expectations when it comes to each individuals health.

    But Covid is nothing to be concerned about other than it stinks to get sick now.
     
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  6. SotaGator

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    Officially a cold / flu? By whose determination, yours? Clearly you are not a doctor nor do you work in healthcare.

    If Covid is nothing to be concerned about or doesn't exist, why are there people still contracting it and admitting to my county's hospitals?

    And by the way, I don't suppose you care to offer expertise on the Legionnaire's outbreak in New York? Something else to disregard, even though people have died?
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    LOL! Is your county hospital being overflowed with covid right now?!?!?

    As sad as it is that this became so political. Even the left know that is pure nonsense today.

    The lies about people being admitted to hospitals “for” covid was one of the biggest propaganda lies we saw during the pandemic. It caused real damage to healthcare. That will last for decades.
     
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  8. SotaGator

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    I never said being overflowed, but there are new cases every week.
    So what should the diagnoses be for those currently needing hospitalization? What is your non-political label? I can assure you it ain't colds / flu.
     
  9. QGator2414

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    People are not being admitted “for” covid in any sort of meaningful numbers. That ship with that lie has sailed. They tried it for way too long.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    If we’re going to keep testing for Covid we may as well test for unicorn dander.
     
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  11. SotaGator

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    How then is it determined what medical therapies are best suited to treat a patient's illness?
    Does a patient presenting symptoms have an infection or a virus?
    If the illness is viral but YOU don't think testing is useful, how do you determine which of the very effective disease-specific antiviral medications will best help?
    Knowledge evolves -- research and understanding of diseases leads to effective treatments. Insight into Hepatitis B really took off in the 1960's. Understanding of AIDS in the early 2000's.
    We're really only 5 years into knowing a great deal about SARS -CoV but already have developed effective specific treatments. Do you think that's a nothing burger?
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    For going on four years now I’ve made the case that there is no scientific evidence for viruses and that people are not deadly disease vectors.

    I have further argued that there are perfectly sound alternative explanations for simultaneous symptoms, one being the effects of shared environment.

    Regarding what happened in 2020ff I argue that there was/is no new disease, no unique symptoms, no remarkable autopsies and that the alleged cause, SARS-CoV-2, was never isolated and that a fraudulent diagnostic, essentially a computer printout, was the only thing that fueled the perception of a pandemic.
     
  13. pogba

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    So true. All those dead bodies stacked up because they were perceived to stack up
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    This was my favorite Covid death from the Alachua Chronicle …

    Another case at Shands, a 35-year-old male, was listed as a Dade County death from COVID-19: “[The decedent] was working on the roof of a home in Middleburg on 5/28. It started to rain and the decedent and his coworkers stopped working. Bystanders in the neighborhood and the workers on the roof observed a flash of lighting and heard a loud explosion, and several workers were thrown off of the roof. Immediately following the lighting strike, a worker on the roof observed the decedent collapse, fall off of the roof, and land facedown on grass. The decedent’s muscles were reported to be contracted and shaking, and caused the decedent’s body to roll over onto his backside. It was also reported by the workers that the decedent’s eyeballs were rolled back into his skull. Bystanders in the neighborhood observed the decedent on the ground, called 911, and started CPR until EMS arrived on scene. Following the lightning strike, the workers observed a large hole on the roof that appeared burnt. According to medical records, the decedent was transported via EMS to Orange Park Medical Center and was found to have spinal fractures with spinal cord transection, a skull base fracture, and pulmonary contusions. He was transferred on the same day to UF Health Shands Hospital for further management and was admitted to the surgical intensive care unit on mechanical ventilation. He tested positive for the COVID-19 virus on 5/29 and was transferred to the medical intensive care unit. In addition to acute hypoxic respiratory failure and neurogenic shock, he was found to have a subarachnoid hemorrhage, bilateral pulmonary contusions, C3 & C7 spinous process fractures, complete T4 spinal cord transection, a skull base fracture. Trauma surgery, neurosurgery, and neurocritical care continued to follow the decedent and the decedent’s condition did not improve. Examinations were consistent with severe hypoxic brain injury and his prognosis was poor. The decedent’s family elected to transition to full comfort measures on 6/9 and he was pronounced dead on 6/9.”
     
  15. SotaGator

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    One case does not define an outbreak. Your point then is ....
     
  16. antny1

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    To be a contrarian. A dishonest one at that.
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    He obviously didn’t die of Covid and neither did anyone else. 2020ff was a panic-induced PCR-based pseudo-epidemic with massive reclassification of deaths.
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    One man’s contrarianism is another man’s willingness to change his mind when confronted with new information.
     
  19. vaxcardinal

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    So Covid attracts lightening. What else is new?
     
  20. pogba

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    All cause mortality spikes are irrelevant I assume. Just find data errors due to overwhelmed hospitals and cherry pick them. That’s how real analysis is done