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Dem Rep anchor baby Proud Guatemalan before American

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Aug 5, 2025 at 11:12 AM.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Again, I ask. Had she been a redhead professing her love for Ireland, would the Blaze had printed the story? And if not, what's the difference. Hint, it's based on color!
     
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    This thread reminded me of a song I used to listen to as a kid on my grandmothers old wind up phonograph. There were some great songs back then. Glad grandma kept that old edison phonograph. My aunt inherited it from her, have no idea who has it now.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    Love the song, first heard it decades ago. As a point of information it was written in 1912 by William Jerome (birth name William Flannery) and Jean Schwartz, an Irishman and a Jew.
     
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    Billy Murry was my favorite of all the old recordings she had. His recording of George M Cohen's Grand Old Flag was a classic. Also loved his WW1 song The Makings of The USA.
     
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    OMG, I was just going through Billy Murry's recordings on youtube and came across a recording by Harry Roy from 1931. Billy Murry is no longer my favorite musician from the early 1900s.
     
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  7. GatorBen

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    While I’m not endorsing the contrary interpretation of the 14th Amendment, the argument as to the intent in passing it isn’t so much based upon whether it is broad or not.

    Instead, it’s largely based on the fact that the reasons motivating its passage were: 1) overruling the portion of Dred Scott holding that African Americans could not become citizens; and 2) constitutionalizing the citizenship clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 extending citizenship opportunities to people of color and former slaves to ensure that it couldn’t later be repealed or struck down, combined with the fact that immigration likely played little role in its consideration given that it was passed at a time when there were effectively no restrictions on entering the United States, and the only requirements to be naturalized were to be white, to have resided in the U.S. for some period of time, and to disavow your allegiance to foreign countries.

    There are also both remarks by the legislative sponsors, and dicta from Supreme Court cases prior to Wong Kim Ark, that folks could point to as support for the argument that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” may have been intended to exclude the children of aliens.
     
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  8. pogba

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    Yes nothing more American than threatening deportation to people that disagree with you. That's what they meant by the First Amendment I am sure.
     
  9. l_boy

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    This is the first I’ve seen of this thread - immediately it screamed of a likely mistranslation - which apparently it was

    This from y@ hoo - not posting the link because it flags the post


    “Last week, Representative Delia Ramirez, a Guatemalan American representing Illinois’s 3rd district, spoke at the second Panamerican Congress in Mexico City. A snippet of her remarks has infuriated MAGA commentators, lawmakers, and even the Department of Homeland Security.

    But the outrage stems from an apparent mistranslation by right-wing news site The Blaze, which reported that Ramirez said: “I’m a proud Guatemalan, before I’m an American.”

    A video of the event shows Ramirez, who began her speech in English, saying she wanted to conclude her remarks with a few words in Spanish (“...quiero terminar diciendo unas palabras en español…”), because she is “very proudly Guatemalan” (“...porque yo soy guatemalteca con mucho orgullo…”). But, she continues, “Primero que soy americana”—which translates roughly to “First, I am American.”

    While the latter statement is oddly worded, making a direct translation difficult and leaving some ambiguity in Ramirez’s meaning, The Blaze’s version is evidently quite a leap (and also strips the remark of its context).
     
  10. pogba

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    I thought that too at first, but does not seem to be clear cut that it was mistranslated

    Unpacking claims House Democrat said she considers herself 'proud Guatemalan before being an American'
     
  11. coleg

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    Surely you don't suggest the Blaze misquoted!!! It is astounding people use it as a credible source. Use crap sources , get crap information.