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Why Trump’s tariffs are in trouble

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Aug 2, 2025 at 5:06 PM.

  1. l_boy

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  2. VAg8r1

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    Rationally, I would agree although it wouldn't surprise me if Trump's personal SCOTUS doesn't bend over backwards and determine that he has statutory authority to impose the tariffs.
     
  3. dangolegators

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    It would be the best thing that could happen to Trump, saving him from himself. And I think they will rule against Trump. Roberts, ACB, and Kavanaugh can't possibly be that far gone that they'd rule that Trump has the constitutional authority to impose tariffs whenever and however he wants.
     
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  4. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    they are working just fine- but would not expect the wapo to say anything positive about them
     
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  5. GatorRade

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    Right here
    Whether they are “working” (however that is measured) is an entirely separate issue from whether a president has authority to unilaterally impose them. If SCOTUS rules that this president has such power, it will extend to all future Democratic presidents, a consequence about which I assume you are less enthused.
     
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  6. tilly

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    This is what puzzles me about my fellow "conservatives". Do they not think this roughshod approach will never backfire?

    Trump will be gone. And at some point the libs will have control. It scares me what their revenge tour will look like.

    Strong, professional and mature....like Reagan... is how you approach liberalism.
    But no...we just want to stir up hornets nests so we all get stung later.

    Conservatives need to really think about how this will impact us at some point.
     
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  7. MeyerIsBack

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    The argument is to whether the president should have the unilateral authority to create tariffs not whether you think they are doing just fine.
     
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  8. Contra

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    Yep. It seems more and more like the legislative branch is becoming irrelevant. We need the SCOTUS to reign in what the POTUS is and is not allowed to do.

    It is no coincidence Jackson’s picture hangs on the wall of the oval office. Trump is simply following in the footsteps of one the presidents most known for his expansion of executive authority.
     
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  9. G8tas

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    I think you are forgetting that when that day comes their opinion on presidential power will change. "The Dem POTUS is acting like a dictator"
     
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    Such obvious fact is apparently lost on our resident antagonizer.
     
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    Don't hold your breath when the current "conservative" regime consists of carnival barkers. Our only hope is that the masses get a clue, but that's highly unlikely imo.
     
  12. jjgator55

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    Let’s be clear, our government isn’t being run by conservative republicans, it’s MAGA. There’s nothing this administration is doing that’s conservative.
     
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  13. dangolegators

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    The Trump admin is very conservative on social issues and immigration. On most everything else it's a weird mishmash.
     
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    If I were the dem party, I would keep quiet and not fight the tariffs. Let them creep in.

    I also wouldnt want to limit my power with another SCOTUS ruling limiting my future nominees power in their next term.

    Stay quiet, let him own the consequences on the tariffs and be ready to offer a different choice when the time is right. Trying to prevent a disaster with the dumb American electorate is pointless, let them feel some pain...
     
  15. jjgator55

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    There’s nothing conservative about how he’s going about it.
     
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  16. l_boy

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    At this point outside of certain cultural issues there is no clear rhyme or reason to maga on economic issues. The only common thread is fealty to Trump. At one point he may be for 50% tariffs, then 15% tariffs. Could even be no tariffs. Doesn’t matter, as long as whatever it is comes from Trump.
     
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  17. Gatorrick22

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    This is for the Legislature to "settle" not the Judiciary, and they (along with We The People) have giving tacit approval for President Trump to Make American Great Again. Reciprocal trade is fair trade.
     
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    hippy
     
  19. g8orbill

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    this seems to indicate he does

    Section 338 of the Trade Act of 1930 directs the President to impose tariffs on articles produced by, or imported on the vessels of, foreign countries that discriminate against U.S. commerce in certain ways.
     
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  20. oragator1

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    I mean, I’m no lawyer, but I would be fascinated at the mental gymnastics the USSC has to come up with to rationalize the president having that authority. From Section One Article 8 of the constitution:


    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;