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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. VAg8r1

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    I wouldn't bet my house on it. If Trump hadn't been jerking Ukraine around since he took office and actually continued to provide weapons both offensive and defensive maybe Putin would actually be at the negotiating table. With Russia currently winning on the ground it's not going to happen anytime soon. It's only been a couple of months since Trump and his buddy JD Vance publicly humiliated Zelensky while praising Putin. Hopefully this time Trump is really serious about ending the war and not doing so in a manner in which he surrenders Ukraine to Russia.
     
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  2. uftaipan

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    Maybe. I wouldn’t. Even if you handed over the weapons right now, it would take around 50 days to integrate and employ them. If the weapons are already in Ukrainian hands, then that gives Putin even more to consider.
     
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  3. uftaipan

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    That’s why the distinction is important. We are part of NATO. The most significant part. So “NATO paying” does mean Canada and the European members sharing the cost, but we would still pay a large share, I believe. .
     
  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    NCR
     
  5. ATLGATORFAN

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    what do you call the racket when for decades your ‘partners’ are not spending their own money on defense and then r demanding the US swoop in from 4000 miles away and send its citizen soldiers to die on their behalf . That’s far more of a ‘racket’ than asking a ‘partner’ to actually pay up. Again. If your defense of your country is not important enough for you to spend your money then it’s certainly not important enough for me to spend mine.
     
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  7. ATLGATORFAN

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    I think we are 99%’in agreement. All I was saying is I’m glad to see those seeing the biggest benefit of American arms/tech/ingenuity finally actually paying for it and not lecturing the US that we should be requiring our taxpayers and citizens to foot their defense bill
     
  8. demosthenes

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    That’s incredibly shortsighted to act like it’s not to our benefit. Just as it’s to our benefit to ensure all are vaccinated regardless of ability to pay or prioritization of the unvaccinated’s money, a free democratic Europe as counterbalance to Russia is directly to our benefit. I have no problem holding Europe’s feet to the fire to get them to contribute more, but let’s not pretend we don’t need Eutope stable and as they are.
     
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    I didn't realize that Russia's potatoes (kilograms) are different than our potatoes (pounds). Maybe that's why they consume so much borscht.
     
  11. PITBOSS

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    We’ve been slow-rolling aid for the past six months—so much so that Zelensky was practically begging to buy Patriots back in April. Trump mocked him for it at the time, but—better late than never. Still, aid alone won’t be enough. It’s going to take tough sanctions with the military support to get Russia to change course. Fifty days is a long wait, and for now, all we’ve got is Trump’s tough talk. The Russian markets responded positively to the deadline.

    “The Russian rouble reversed losses against the dollar….after U.S. President Donald Trump warned he would impose "very severe tariffs" on Russia if no deal on a peaceful settlement is made in 50 days.

    “Trump performed below market expectations," said analyst Artyom Nikolayev from Invest Era. "He gave 50 days during which the Russian leadership can come up with something and extend the negotiation track. Moreover, Trump likes to postpone and extend such deadlines”




    https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...ain-after-trumps-statement-russia-2025-07-14/
     
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  12. PITBOSS

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    Is it nato writing the check or the individual countries that own the inventories.


    “Speaking in the Oval Office with President Trump, Rutte said Germany, Finland, Canada, Norway, Sweden, the United Kingdom and Denmark would be among the nations purchasing U.S. munitions.”

    https://www.fox13now.com/us-news/tr...as-weapons-deal-with-ukraine-appears-imminent
     
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