Texas floods - Girls missing

Lots off bible thumping but not sure what that has to do with the flooding. Perhaps a new thread needs to be created

 

u should make a macro of that post...will come in handy often.

 

First of all, in my experience, most threads that go long enough are going to have at least a couple of tangential discussions going on. Secondly, the point I've been trying to make, here, is that you can't just read the parable of the Lost Sheep and then extrapolate, from that, how Jesus would handle the flooding in Texas. Admittedly, that's not the same as linking a press conference but it's not totally off topic either, imo.

 

A new guy arrives in prison, and on his first night in the cell block, he hears something strange during lights out.

One prisoner yells, “47!” and the whole cell block bursts out laughing.

Another yells, “19!” — again, everyone laughs.

The new guy is confused and asks his cellmate what's going on.

His cellmate explains, “We’ve all been here so long, we’ve heard all the jokes a million times. So to save time, we just numbered them. Someone shouts a number, and we all remember the joke and laugh.”

The new guy thinks that’s clever and decides to try it.

The next night, he stands up and shouts, “22!”
Dead silence.

He tries again: “37!”
Still silence. A cough or two, but no laughter.

Embarrassed, he sits back down and whispers to his cellmate, “What happened? Why didn’t anyone laugh?”

His cellmate shrugs and says, “Some people can tell 'em and some people can't”

 

Sadly, no I'm not.

 

The hungry ones are the survivors. That is clearly who I mentioned.

 

Who os Bible thumping? And in case you missed it, It was an atheist aho brought this all up.

 

I listed many examples. Not just the lost sheep one.

 

Kerr County officials waited 90 minutes to send emergency alert after requested, dispatch audio shows

At 4:22 a.m. on Friday, as Texas' Hill Country began to flood, a firefighter in Ingram – just upstream from Kerrville – asked the Kerr County Sheriff's Office to alert nearby residents, according to audio obtained by ABC affiliate KSAT. But Kerr County officials took nearly six hours to heed this call.

"The Guadalupe Schumacher sign is underwater on State Highway 39," the firefighter said in the dispatch audio. "Is there any way we can send a CodeRED out to our Hunt residents, asking them to find higher ground or stay home?"

"Stand by, we have to get that approved with our supervisor," a Kerr County Sheriff's Office dispatcher replied.

The first alert didn't come through Kerr County's CodeRED system until 90 minutes later. Some messages didn't arrive until after 10 a.m. By then, hundreds of people had been swept away by the floodwaters.”

system also outdated using whitepages and/or requiring residents to sign up.

 

You object to me singling that one out. Does that mean you agree that it's not really a valid comparison? I said, earlier, that I don't think any of them support your position.

Valid theogoloy: Jesus expects his followers to help those in need.

Highly questionable/unsupported, theology: Jesus, during his earthly ministry, would be out there in this tragedy helping people in more or less the same way he expects his followers to help. This idea is supported by a bunch of citations found in post# 257 which contains, among others, the Parable of the Lost Sheep and the woman who was healed by touching Jesus' cloak. Edit for clarity. I'm saying that those examples were attempts to support it not that actually support it.

 

Why do people try and act like they know what Jesus would do in today's world... asking for a friend. Runs and hides...

 

If you're a follower of Jesus I think you should have a pretty good idea of what he would do, right? Otherwise what's the point?

 

Is that why those wristbands were big back in the day? WWJD was a rhetorical question, unanswerable, really. You would look at it an ponder things for hours, like a philosopher king.

 

Your theology is just as speculative and unsupported. Theology often is somewhat speculative as people interpret things differently.

That is why I tend to worry less about mans theology and more about what JESUS called PURE and UNDEFILED religion.

Theology was what the Pharisees clung too. Often to their detriment.

I contest that in the middle of a storm Jesus came to the aid of people. We literally see that in scripture, yet you contest that he would not today?

Jesus miraculously fed a multitude so they would listen to His message.

Isaiah tells us that Jesus would literally bear our pain. Are you suggesting He would do that from His living room watching CNN?

What does your theology tell you that Jesus would do or long to do for people hurting so deeply?

What does God's word tell us Jesus thinks of the Widow and orphan in distress (James 1)?

What does it tell us about doing for the "least of these"?

We are the hands and feet of Jesus and He was in some ways the hands and feet of His father.

Let's agree to disagree brother.

 

Been interesting to watch the meteorologists deal with the outrage over cloud seeding.

MSN

Augustus Doricko knew when he founded a cloud-seeding start-up in 2023 that he’d have to contend with misunderstandings and conspiracy theories surrounding the technology. Still, he wasn’t quite prepared for the sheer volume of online fury he has faced in the wake of the catastrophic Texas floods that have killed more than 100 people and nearly twice that many missing.

“It has been nonstop pandemonium,” Doricko said in a phone interview Wednesday.

Doricko and his company, Rainmaker, have become a focal point of posts spiraling across social media that suggest the floods in Kerr County were a human-made disaster. An array of influencers, media personalities, elected officials and other prominent figures — including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) and former Trump adviser Michael Flynn — have publicly raised the possibility that cloud-seeding operations like Rainmaker’s might have caused or at least exacerbated the historic deluge.

That’s impossible, atmospheric scientists say. Cloud seeding, in which planes scatter dust particles through clouds to trigger rain and snow, remains a fledgling technology, the effects of which are too limited and localized to produce anything remotely like the 15 inches of rain that drowned swaths of South Central Texas over the Fourth of July weekend.

 

The Texas flood, and the various media and social media reporting arms have become a microcosm of just how F'd up
the people of this country have become, regarding spin, politics, the blame game and attempts to "capitalize on the American Public's perception of things.

Let me reiterate both sides of the ideological spectrum.Insanity is spewing out on BOTH sides.

Seems like decent folks would:

Show empathy for the dead, hurt, missing, those who have lost homes, jobs and resources.

Try to figure out what went wrong and how to prevent, or at least minimize such events in the future.

But no, the greater narrative is how to get the media "upper hand" whether via professional or social media, to maximize "play" and point making.

I find it all rather disgusting................

 

Doctor who lost job over ‘regrettable’ Texas flood post says sorry

I found this rather interesting. While it is awful a person doesn’t know any better not to say such a thing, especially a pediatrician, and nobody should wish ill will on anybody, I can understand where she is coming from - to a degree.

Actions have consequences. The Trump administration, between DOGE, defunding, firing experienced personell, etc, is gutting essential government functions. It also is deprioritizing climate change priorities. Sometimes you can draw a straight line from a government action to a disaster, other times it isn’t as clear. But people will suffer, and many will die due to this MAGA identity hissy fit they are collectively having.

They only way any of this changes is people suffer, then maybe people realize what is important.

 

We don't have all the answers but theology isn’t nearly as speculative as you're making it out to be. What Jesus said, what he did, and what he expects us to do aren't really all that speculative. They're laid out right there in the Bible.

On the other hand, attempting to extrapolate what he would do in any given situation is very speculative.

I agree that we're at an impasse where further discussion is unlikely to be useful.

 

I cant let that go. I didnt say to what degree it is speculation and I am not extrapolating what He would do any more than you.

We have a story of a weather event in scripture.
We have a story of a person drowning in scripture.
We have a story of a multitude of hungry people in scripture.
We have a parable of rescue in scripture.
We have a story of a person facing certain death by those who sought to kill her.

These all show what Jesus actually did.

Jesus RESPONDED in every case. That is not speculation.

 

I'm glad you posted. I already had this typed out and I was debating whether to post it.

After thinking about this for a bit, I have something more to add to this specific point.

Let's review the passage you're referring to. It's found in Mark 4:35–41, Matthew 8:23–27, and Luke 8:22–25. I will be quoting the one from Mark.

First off, let's note the way you glossed over the nature of the aid that Jesus rendered. Specifically, he calmed the storm and no one was hurt. I'm not the one making guesses about how Jesus would behave today, you are. Are you asserting that he would've stopped the storm in Texas and no one would have died? Or are you using a story with a very specific form of aid to argue in favor of something less specific?

But wait...is that passage primarily about Jesus coming to the aid of people? Verse 40 strongly implies that they were never really in any danger and that waking him up actually shows a lack of faith. So, how do you work that detail into your thesis?

As I said before, I try not to speculate about how Jesus would handle a given situation today(though I'm sure I've done it at some point). It seems to me that the actual text doesn't really support your position, here.

About theology being speculative...It does tend to be more speculative and interpretation is more of a factor when you don't actually read the text. And, yes, I haven't been as strict about going to the text as I probably should have in this discussion.