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TX abortion ban causes more women to nearly bleed to death during miscarriage

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Jul 2, 2025.

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  1. Jul 9, 2025 at 3:59 PM #181
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    Wrong. All the doctors had to do was note her life was in danger and perform anything necessary to save her. They chose not to. The Texas Supreme Court ruled it is not the courts job to be a doctor.

    The Law is clear!
     
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  2. Jul 9, 2025 at 4:07 PM #182
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    Then why did Barnica have to wait until doctors could legally act? And had they not waited, and gotten an abortion like Cox did, would she have died?

    Also, why did Cox's doctors petition the courts to be able to legally perform an abortion when they did? A petition that ultimately, the Texas Supreme Court denied.
     
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  3. Jul 9, 2025 at 8:20 PM #183
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    Because doctors failed her? I do not know? But it was not because of the Texas Law. The law is and has been clear! They had every right to protect the mothers they were caring for with an abortion if the mothers life was at risk.

    Sadly I believe there are doctors who are/were willing to put a patients life at risk over this issue. If you think it is okay to kill the most innocent for convenience. Then it is easy to see how one would lack the moral character to do what it best for their patient imo. And sadly I think there are many like you (including doctors) that believe it is okay to kill a child for convenience via abortion.
     
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  4. Jul 9, 2025 at 8:52 PM #184
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    What I think is irrelevant. And you really think multiple doctors, all OBGYN's, would break their hippocratic oath and purposely kill their patients? For what purpose?

    Think logically. Why did Cox's doctors sue to allow for a legal abortion? Not because they wanted her to die. Because they wanted her to live. And who stopped the doctors from performing the abortion in Texas? The law, backed by a Texas Supreme Court judgement.

    Now, in walks Barnica. She's in the same state as Cox was when she arrived at the hospital. The doctors knew the law prevented action at that moment, and forced her to wait until the doctors could legally act. But it was too late, and she died.

    100 OBGYN Doctors in the state are angry and frustrated enough to sign a letter demanding to change the law. It's this the action of professionals wishing to cause harm and kill their patients?

    You are grasping for straws accusing doctors wanting to harm people instead of actually placing the blame where it belongs. The law. It goes too far, and as a result, since the law has passed, Texas maternal mortality rate has skyrocketed. Forget what I want. Who wants more dead women because of a law? Apparently you do? Because gosh forbid you admit the law is the problem.
     
  5. Jul 9, 2025 at 11:56 PM #185
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    Even if there is a theoretical universal code, clearly we don’t know what it is with 100% certainty, or else you wouldn’t have changing views based upon translations. So if people are all going off of an incorrect moral code because of incorrect moral translation - how is that possible if the universal moral code is obvious and perfectly stated in the Bible? Or is it only perfectly stated in the original translations so only people who speak Hebrew and Greek can fully understand what the moral code is?


    You dodged the slavery question. As to debtors, no debtor is physically forced to pay a debt. They can declare bankruptcy. That is all civil law, not criminal law. You can refuse to pay. You can declare bankruptcy. They may or may not come take your property and wreck your credit rating but that isn’t slavery.

    Given the myriad of interpretations of different denominations who call themselves Christians, the Bible is not clear. You just think what you personally think is always right.



    So you are obviously not of the school of thought that the translated Bible is perfect and the translations are divinely inspired. How is it you think that the first compilations of the Bible, by Catholics, were perfect? But then Martin Luther figured out the real truth, mostly, 1500 years after Christ was born.

    Based upon interpretations and translations of simple phrases - like Peter / upon this rock - lead to dramatically different results. But alas, we can feel confident that you, a random poster on THFSG, are the one that has it all figured out, and all of others misinterpreted the perfect articulation found in the Bible.



    So the perfect moral Biblical code is dishonoring your father is punishable by death? Amazing how everybody seemed to get that one wrong.
     
  6. Jul 10, 2025 at 6:57 AM #186
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    I am not grasping for anything. The law is clear. You have yet to show it not being clear.

    No doubt some OBs are upset. A revenue stream was minimized in the name of protecting the most innocent from death via abortion. But nothing in the law prevents an abortion if the mother’s life is in jeopardy. To this point you have yet to own the lie you peddled about the heartbeat. But that is what you do when you think it is okay to kill a child for convenience legally.
     
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