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TX abortion ban causes more women to nearly bleed to death during miscarriage

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Jul 2, 2025 at 1:43 PM.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Then please explain the rise in maternal deaths and other maternal health complications since the law changed.
     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    The problem is that the laws are ambiguous and not many doctors want to test them and possibly jeopardize their licenses to practice medicine or their freedom based on the whims of an overly aggressive prosecutor motivated by politics.
     
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  3. FutureGatorMom

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    So since you just want to give me a "c'mon man" for this post, I'll answer anyway.

    Georgia has similar bans as texass.
    Baby of brain-dead woman delivered in Georgia, woman's mother says

    At 31 the mother had severe headaches that ended up shutting down her brain. She was 9 weeks pregnant and they put her on life support until they could deliver the baby by C section. She just delivered the baby who was weighed 1lb 13 oz and has a high chance of being blind and mentally disabled. Now her parents will need to care for this disabled child that was forced into this world. Just in time for trump to cut SNAP. I hope they have a better program to help disabled children than we have in Floriduh. Here they wait years and years, some never getting help, before they get help -pro life indeed.


    Texas heart beat law:
    What does the Texas Heartbeat Act say about abortions?

    Heartbeats are detected at 6 weeks. That is not an indication of viability.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    Ask the doctors. There is nothing in the law that parented them from providing care to anyone whose life is or was at risk.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    The law is not ambiguous at all. Only to those that want to legally kill a child for convenience. The law is clear. If a mother’s life is at risk. Doctors can do what is needed to save the mother.
     
  6. VAg8r1

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    Tell that to the doctors who have been reluctant to treat pregnant women experiencing life threatening conditions if treatment would involve termination of a pregnancy even in cases in which there is no way that the pregnancy could be carried to term.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    I don’t need to tell that to them. They know it as the law is clear. Now are there a few doctors that want to BS the what they can and cannot do because they can’t kill a child for convenience now? That is on them.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    The law is not clear. And it's why maternal deaths have risen in Texas after the law change. There is no other explanation.

    In other states without draconian laws, and other industrialized countries, doctors can intervene before the mother's life is in danger. They cannot, because of the law, in Texas. Look again at the maternal deaths in Texas compared to the rest of the first world. The law is killing women.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    The law is clear. You have read it and know it but allow doctors that want to legally kill children for convenience via abortion make up pure BS.

    Docotrs have every ability to protect the mother. Some just do not like that Texas has decided to protect the most innocent.
     
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  10. AzCatFan

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    Bull. Doctors are afraid to act in Texas until the women's life is in danger. Other areas, they can act before the woman is in danger. It's the only explanation why Texas has a maternal morality rate higher than some third world countries. Unless you have another explanation?
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    The law is clear. I have posted it for you numerous times. You have never been able to defend the fact it is not clear. Because it is clear.
     
  12. AzCatFan

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    If the problem isn't the law, then please explain the recent rise in maternal deaths in Texas that compares to third world country rates.

    Of course, the law is the problem. In other first world countries, doctors can intervene before a woman is septic and he health is at risk. In Texas, the law states wait until she is fully septic and in danger.
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    The law is not the problem. There is a reason you cannot cite one piece of the law that supports the idea a doctor is inhibited from performing any procedure on a mother who is at risk.

    The law is clear and you know it. Say you just want the law to legally allow the killing of the most innocent for convenience.
     
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  14. AzCatFan

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    The fetal heartbeat provision of the law often prevents medical personnel from intervening until a woman is in full sepsis. In other states and countries, doctors can intervene before full on sepsis and the risk to the woman is low. In Texas, different story, hence different outcomes. Or do you have a different explanation?
     
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  15. QGator2414

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    This is a complete lie and BS (honestly deserves to be written out as you are full of S)...

    Here is the law again...

    87(R) SB 8 - Enrolled version - Bill Text

    And yes. I know you will not be able to cite anything that restricts an abortion if the mothers life is in jeopardy.

    And yes. You will continue to push for the evil you believe in which is to legally kill the most innocent for convenience.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    I already answered your question. The fetal heartbeat sections of the law forces doctors to wait in certain scenarios before they can act. As a result, more women are dying or having major medical complications that can be, and are avoided in other states and countries. How else can you explain Texas having maternal mortality rates like a third world country? You cannot, and refuse to answer this simple question.

    To further the point you cannot grasp, take a pregnant woman around the end of the 2nd trimester, living in Germany. The unfortunate happens, and she's rushed to the hospital. There, the doctors tell her an awful prognosis. Chances of a normal childbirth is basically 0%, because the fetus isn't likely to live that long. And even if born alive, the child won't survive long. And if the pregnancy continues, 99% the woman ends up in full sepsis.

    In Germany, they would prep the woman for surgery immediately, abort the fetus, and avoid the woman ending up in full sepsis. Risks to the woman would be relatively low. But in Texas? The law you just linked prevents action, by law, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat, or until the woman is in full blown sepsis. And because doctors have to wait until full blown sepsis, per the law, women are dying or facing other complications at third world levels.

    There is no other explanation. And you haven't even tried explaining it.