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ICE increasingly targets undocumented migrants with no criminal record

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by VAg8r1, Jul 5, 2025 at 12:40 PM.

  1. dynogator

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    Didn't someone try this private prison thing with US citizens, and there was a strongly negative backlash?
     
  2. AzCatFan

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    Overstaying a visa or crossing illegally is a civil offense. At worse, a misdemeanor. When it comes to serious, felony crimes, immigrants both documented and undocumented are less likely to commit one compared to citizens.
     
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  3. g8orbill

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    is she here illegally? she has had 47 years to fix it and CHOSE not to- time to pay the piper
     
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    Her situation is rather complex. She hasn't been able to obtain legal status because the INS (the predecessor of ICE) determined that her first marriage was a sham. She's been married to her second husband for 35 years by the way and has an adult daughter with him. She's applied for legal status multiple times and has checked in with immigration authorities regularly so it's not like she's been trying to hide. They never tried to deport her until very recently. Seriously, do you think the US would better off by deporting her to a country that she left 47 years ago oppresses women based on a strict interpretation of Islam?
    After 47 years in the US, Ice took this Iranian mother from her yard. Her family just wants her home
    Kashanian arrived in the US in 1978 on a student visa and has lived in the country ever since. She later applied for asylum, citing fears of persecution due to her father’s ties to the US-backed Shah of Iran.

    Her asylum request was ultimately denied, but she was granted a stay of removal on the condition she comply with immigration requirements, a condition her family says she always met. Kashanian was so careful about regularly attending her meetings with immigration officials that she once checked in from South Carolina during Hurricane Katrina.
     
  5. mdgator05

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    That is actually false. An overstay on a visa, for example, is not a criminal violation. BTW, that is very good news for our first lady, who illegally worked while on a visa that would not allow one to work.
     
  6. mdgator05

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    How does one in her situation "fix it?"
     
  7. AzCatFan

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    Generally, someone who enters undocumented and is eligible for deportation cannot get a green card unless they go back to their home country and apply for I've. There's no piper to pay.
     
  8. g8orbill

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    she had 47 years to fix this
     
  9. chemgator

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    Donald Trump agrees with this message. In fact, Trump is asking all Americans to stop paying attention to non-immigrant Americans who have been convicted of felonies, except to prevent them from being incarcerated, especially after they leave political office.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    What part of she tried to but there are few, if any avenues available to her do you not understand?
     
  11. mdgator05

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    You have already stated the years that she was here. How does one "fix it" without committing crimes (such as lying on official documents)? Tell me the pathway to legality here.
     
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    Same applies to a certain South African/Canadian who came to the US on a student visa to attend Stanford and illegally stayed in the US after dropping out of college.
    Elon Musk worked in US illegally in 1995 after quitting school – report
     
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  13. g8orbill

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    go back home and apply legally
     
  15. mdgator05

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    Apply for what? There isn't some magic application for immigration. So she returns to an authoritarian country without a US embassy and applies for what type of visa and under what justification?
     
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    Yes, by lying on his forms when he converted his student visa (when he would have had to have affirmed that he had not violated the student visa when he had), in violation of the law.
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    Musk originally entered legally on a student visa. He worked before he got a work visa, but having first entered on a visa, getting citizenship is possible. When first entering illegally, it is not unless you return back to your home country.

    For a woman from Iran after the regime change, returning was likely a death sentence for this woman. Still is. She was allowed to stay legally likely under temporary protection orders, but she was always eligible for deportation. And again, darn near impossible for her to get a green card.

    So sky deport her now? It's she a hardened criminal with a long record? A danger to anyone? No. She should have retained her temp protected status indefinitely.
     
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    He eventually became a US citizen although like Melania he was technically in the US illegally after he dropped out of school and his student visa expired. In fact, it's been estimated that roughly half of the illegal aliens in the US are people that entered the US legally on student, work or tourist visas and overstayed those visas. I also noticed that you had no problem with Trump's stunt of withdrawing legal status from Haitians, Venezuelans, Cuban and Ukrainians with temporary protected status so that they can be immediately deported. Given that virtually all of them were checking in regularly with ICE they represented "low hanging fruit" since the authorities already knew where they were. Said it before when Cuba was aligned with the Soviet Union Cubans fleeing the Marxist authoritarian island were welcomed as heroes. Venezuelans fleeing a similar government are being demonized by Trump as the worst of the worst.
     
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    Would you have said the same thing to Cubans who fled Castro in the '60s, 70s and 80s and didn't have formal legal status when they entered the US? By the away although a lot of them probably would not qualify every immigrant has the right to request asylum. The Trump Administration has been short circuiting the process by closing the cases of applicants for asylum, detaining them and deporting them.
     
  20. g8orbill

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    that is her problem- we have rules she thought she could somehow skirt the rules- oh well now she is being deported
     
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