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Florida Builds ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ Detention Center for Migrants in Everglades

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Jun 27, 2025 at 11:59 AM.

  1. gator_jo

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    That's a great point. Poor people crossing our imaginary line in order to work our worst jobs, frequently at sub-minimum wages -jobs that Americans generally refuse to do- ..........

    ......is indeed quite comparable to Trump's friend in Russia crossing their imaginary line with troops and weapons of war, in order to kill hundreds of thousands of Ukranians en route to seizing all or much of Ukraine's land.

    It's pretty much the same thing, thanks for pointing that out.
     
  2. wgbgator

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    We forgot to tell him the secret plan, big oversight on our part
     
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  3. gatorjd95

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    Different times require different measures/tactics. During the Obama years, the Dems were still very much the party of the blue collar worker and unions. Those contingencies viewed immigration as a strain on their success. In a strikingly short period of time, a lot of those blue collar workers started voted Rep. Dems took several steps to protect/maintain representational apportionment - one of which is increasing the census count in reliable Dem districts. Each policy/position is not taken in a vacuum, nor are policies/positions static due to changing circumstances. Thus, seemingly contradictory policies/positions are not contradictory - however, some of the underlying principles maintain.
     
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  4. wgbgator

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    So one of the tactics in the master plan to import people to "skew populations" is to remove more than anyone else has to date (and take credit for it by calling yourself the Deporter in Chief)? That's 10D chess I cant comprehend.
     
  5. gatorjd95

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    you have time/events out of order.
     
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  6. rivergator

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    Wow, and the entire left did a complete 180 that quickly? I'm impressed. I had no idea we were that organized. So in just a few short years, we went from Obama deporting millions to Biden deporting nobody, is that it? Wow.
     
  7. gatorjd95

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    Didn't say that Biden "deported nobody." He deported quite a few - less than Obama. However, his policies created the situation of massive, largely unchecked immigration. The two are not mutually exclusive. You know that to be true, but just had to comment about something in a manner that attempts to rebut a basic concept.
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    So your argument is that Democrats are "importing" people to affect the Census in 2030 (as the 2020 Census happened before Biden came into office) but also deporting people in 2021-2024. Sounds like quite a plan that they had there.
     
  9. wgbgator

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    If I were a Democrat concerned with census-based redistricting and prepared to do anything to maintain a political advantage, I simply would not lose the 2010 midterms at state level spectacularly
     
  10. wgbgator

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    Also it was sure nice of Govs Abbott and DeSantis to move all those people away from red states into reliable Dem districts during the Biden administration to increase the census count in blue states. Duped by the leftists no doubt!
     
  11. VAg8r1

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    Obama never pulled the stunt of removing temporary protected status from hundreds of thousands of immigrants in effect reclassifying immigrants with legal status into illegals solely to deport them and raise his numbers. I also don't recall masked ICE agents detaining immigrants who had been in the US for decades while Obama was in office or pulling another stunt to up his numbers by dismissing cases of immigrants applying for asylum and then detaining them while they were still in the courthouse.
     
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  12. saltydoggator

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    I'm not a "Conservative," but it's interesting that my comments regarding harm to American citizens by illegals as being intolerable would elicit such a characterization. So, I suppose "Liberals" will accept unlimited harm to American citizens by illegals?
     
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  13. saltydoggator

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    Nope. Entering the United States illegally makes you a criminal by definition. All persons here illegally should be deported... because they are criminals.
    8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
    (a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    Does that clear things up?
     
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  14. VAg8r1

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    Entering the US illegally is a crime. That statute doesn't apply to immigrants who entered the US legally and overstayed work, student or tourist visas or otherwise entered legally. It definitely doesn't apply to immigrants who allowed to stay in the US under temporary protected status which was later withdrawn. It is also almost never enforced against persons who entered the US illegally as children or even teens although Trump, Miller, Noem and Homan have declared open season on them, too.
     
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