TX abortion ban causes more women to nearly bleed to death during miscarriage

Same question to you. How many women have died in the state of Texas because they could not get an abortion?

 

"American Taliban" ?!?!?

LOL(osers)!

 

OK, so we are talking about arguably 3 women who have died as a result of these policies. Do you think the number of unborn children who have been saved exceed that number?

I suspect the number of unborn children who have been saved far out number the number of women who have died in that time span.

I also would be curious if Texas relaxed the provision in question how many times could it be exploited as a loop hole to conduct an abortion under false pretenses? These questions matter too. You have to kind of treat this issue like Iranians who might claim they are enriching uranium for peaceful purposes because there are lots of people out there in the US who have an almost religious like zeal for abortion and would lie to cover up an abortion and get away with it. If you leave a loophole, then you are leaving a loophole for murder to happen in secret.

 

Your life began separate from your mother and father at conception. You had 23 chromosomes from your mother and 23 chromosomes from your father. You had your own DNA. All at conception. That is the moment your life and development began. Like all of our lives!

There is no denying this. Science and Medicine have been able to show this as we all began as a zygote inside out Mothers after they engaged with our Fathers.

Any abortion is killing a Life Created that is separate from the mother. Medicine has shown us this!

It is baffling that so many do not see how amazing Creation actually is and are willing to push for the legal killing of a Child!

 

Pure BS! Read the law. No one has died because of the law.

In fact. Look at the United States and get back to us on this. What happened in 2020 and started in 2021 that might have caused the rise in sepsis in pregnancy? As it was not just a Texas issue...

Pregnancy-related deaths are on the rise…and sepsis is a big reason | NIH MedlinePlus Magazine

 

There are always two sides to an issue. Thank you for sharing!

 

There is virtually no chance you will live to be 130 years old. You are going to die anyways. Is it OK with you if society decides to terminate you?

 

Sweet goal post move, "gee, only 3 women died unnecessarily, so what?" ... this has not nothing to do with abortion. Those women were having miscarriages, not abortions. Educate yourself on the difference.

 

Dumb analogy. It's already legal in every state to kill someone in defense of your own life, which is what we are talking about here.

 

Considering all the dangers of killing the unborn... maybe they should choose life instead of going through all the dangers involved with abortion. Is life that repulsive?

 

Why is it a dumb analogy? The premises of the argument are the same. Whatever answer you provide there it also applies to the unborn baby who is going to die. The bottom line is it is bigotry to say his life matters even though we are almost certain he's going to die, while simultaneously saying an unborn baby's life does not matter because we are almost certain the unborn baby is going to die.

That is location and age based discrimination. It is also bigotry.

 

So, you are in favor of letting women die who are miscarrying an unviable fetus which will likely kill them if not dealt with medically. If you can tell me your opinion wouldn't change, even if what was your wife or daughter, then you might just win the award for the greatest Christain of all time. Perhaps even more Christian than Jesus.*

*By MAGA standards.

 

The Texas law allows for abortion in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, as do I. I support abortion in such cases because it really is dangerous and probably lethal for the mother with no chance of survival for the baby. I am not convinced what we are discussing in this thread is anywhere in the neighborhood of an ectopic pregnancy in terms of risk to the mother.

Even if we grant there were 3 deaths in 3 years in a state as big as Texas due to these new laws, which @QGator2414 shed some light on that claim, how many women do you think are in Texas hospitals facing likely death because of these miscarriages in the past 3 years? 10? 100? 1000? 10000? I'm curious what you think the number is.

 

I have no idea but we do know studies show over 95% of abortions are simply due to unwanted pregnancies.

That is a sad statistic.

 

I think 95% is actually low. Almost all abortions are for convenience (unwanted). Literally! It is a complicated issue. But talk about Real and Life. It is that!

And Medicine and Science show this reality very clearly.

 

And they are done before the 12th week. Our brains don't form until at LEAST the 20th week. Why do ya'll want to force women to bear children they don't want or can't have, only to offer NOTHING after that child is born. Your tea party just cut snap benefits. Tea party sucks and needs to be voted out of office.

 

The analogy completely fails. So what you're saying it that the life of a fetus who will die within days should be extended even if it would also it would result in the death of the mother whose life could be saved through a therapeutic abortion?

 

What I am saying is the life of the unborn baby has as much value as your life and my life has. Right decision making will heavily weigh the value of that life even if it ends prematurely before birth. That does not take abortion completely off the table in every single circumstance (i.e. ectopic pregnancy). It simply means we apply the golden rule to the unborn.

Consider for a moment the lengths you would go to extend your own life by days, weeks, months, and years. You value your own life, and therefore you would go to great lengths and cost to extend it. If we are valuing the unborn as human beings, then how can we possibly defend a cold disregard for the value of their short lives by abruptly ending them when it is not necessary yet? If we value unborn lives like our own, then maybe it looks like delaying an abortion for a few weeks or months to extend the life of the baby, even though intervention might eventually be necessary to save the mother.

It may also look like delaying and waiting if we are not sure because you don’t kill people over fringe unprobabalistic events. I’ll let you in on something. 3/? = …there are not a lot of numbers that you could slot in the space there that make this out to be what we are told it is. If it is 3/3 = 100%, then OK, we are talking about a rare type of miscarriage they need to revisit in the Texas state legislature. If it is 3/240,000 = 0.00125%, then what we are talking about is an event that is less likely than dying from a crash fatality driving 10 miles in a car.

When I read this article I read about percentages going up, but the lack of actual concrete numbers was the first red flag this is a propaganda piece. They didn’t state the raw accumulations because those would have undermined the sensational nature of the article.

You see the article talks about how dangerous miscarriage is for mothers, but when I pressed for statistics…we are talking about 1 death per year by the highest estimate of anyone on this board. Over 12,000 people have died of car crashes in the past 3 year in the state of Texas, and yet we are being stirred up in a frenzy and an alarmism like there is an epidemic of women at risk of dying in Texas hospitals. I’m not buying this one. It reeks of propaganda/political spin.

 

You know how I know this framing only exists for this one issue? Because nobody is asking for "unborn children" to be counted in the census. All people are counted in the census, including born children. And yet, not "unborn children." Nor are Republicans pushing hard to undo this injustice in which people aren't counted and represented.

Or how about this: nobody gets a tax credit for "unborn children." They only get tax credits for born children.

Nobody lists their family size on any official document including their currently "unborn children."

Kind of strange that nobody does any of that or is pushing for an end to any of these obvious injustices, which serve to harm nobody. Almost as if a lot of this is just framing to ask government to control reproduction because some people don't like the choices that other people make in regards to reproduction.