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Suspect arrested in brutal murder of four University of Idaho students

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Bazza, Dec 30, 2022.

  1. WarDamnGator

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    I assumed this was the roommate who saw a man in the house of the night of the murders, but it's not. This is just a roommate that woke up in the morning and found the bodies. Yeah, hard to imagine what the defense has discovered that they think calling this witness will help their case ... have to assume this roommate had some conflict with the other roommates that they are going to attack... maybe.
     
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  4. OklahomaGator

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    Probably a good outcome, saves the cost of a jury trial and the seemingly endless appeals. I'm sure the families of the victims are not happy though.
     
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  5. BLING

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    It says he pled guilty to the crime and will get life without parole. Seems like a rational “deal” by the state as the only thing they took off the table was death penalty. It would be almost legal malfeasance for state prosecutors to NOT take that given things can go wrong with a trial. They got the guilty plea, saved a ton of $$$ from a high profile trial (fiscally conservative), and most importantly this guy is locked up for good with NO appeals.

    I would think this would please the families, but one of them did tweet out “the state of Idaho let us down” so I guess at least that family were after death. I can understand the desire for vengeance but the state acted rationally imo.
     
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    You kill monsters. You do not house them at the tax payers expense. You kill them.
     
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  7. magnetofsnatch

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    This guy 100% should be put to death. Problem is Idaho has only ever executed 3 people in its history. This douche should be put into gen pop and let old school justice play itself out.
     
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    That’s all fine and dandy, but who kills him? The govt? How does govt determine who is a “monster”?

    Obviously this guy now admits his guilt, so that would remove any presumption of innocence or “reasonable doubt”, but we can only say that with current retrospect of him having pled guilty. I think serial killers are one of the few categories it’s appropriate to seek death, but at the end of the day it’s a risk to take it to trial. The govt had a somewhat circumstantial case is my limited understanding of this case (he was there, there was DNA and cell phone location involved, but you can see the defense creating some alternate theory). It also costs some crazy $millions to do a death penalty case, so if the concern is taxpayers - it’s actually less fiscally conservative to put a guy on death row than what was done here.
     
  9. OklahomaGator

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    I agree with you here. The government did find a witness that saw him at the house and the judge will not allow their "different killer" defense as they did not have enough evidence to be able to make the claim. So things went south for the defense in the last couple of weeks and that probably changed his mind on the plea.
     
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    So... this guy was dead to rights caught with overwhelming evidence to convict him, and they dropped the death penalty on a POS that murdered four innocent lives? Now... he could actually get conjugal visits while in prison?
     
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    I see where you are coming from… but as someone who has watched a family torn apart (emotionally) by a monster that raped and killed their child…. And then lives out his life in prison… there is no justice there.
    This creep (not going to even try spelling his name) murdered four young college students. The defense was reeling. There was no doubt in anyone’s mind. And he will live a long life in tax payers dime.
    im in the minority… I know. But when a person destroys lives, the lives of their victims, the victims families and friends, the community that was terrorized and shocked..that monster needs to be put down. We donut to dogs all the time when they turn dangerous to humanity. Do it to these monsters.
     
  12. OklahomaGator

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    I get all of that and if it was my family I would want the death penalty as well. I am not an attorney but you can't stop someone from pleading guilty and I believe you have to have a jury trial to impose the death penalty. If he pleads guilty, there is no trial.
     
  13. wgbgator

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    You don't get conjugal visits if you are in prison for murder lol. At best he'll get married to some weird groupy woman he'll never sleep with or touch.
     
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    He made a deal to avoid the death penalty, though. He would not have plead guilty if the death penalty wasn't waived, I'd think. But look at what Bling wrote above. There are plenty of instances of high profile cases going to hell because cops made mistakes, or just juries making highly questionable decisions. OJ got off with pretty much the same level of physical evidence against him (the victims blood in his car and home, and his DNA at the crime scene) ... Alec Baldwin's case was dismissed because cops mismanaged evidence. I think you offer and take the deal, there.
     
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  15. OklahomaGator

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    I've always heard that the death penalty is more expensive, at least partly due to court costs and appeals. If the taxpayers are a factor, then life in prison might be the more cost effective route.

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    I'm against the death penalty, BUT if one were to apply here, you let the dads draw straws for who kills him.

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  18. OklahomaGator

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    After July 1, 2026 firing squad is the choice in Idaho. Provide mounted rifles that are already sighted in on the heart and let the dads and moms pull the trigger.
     
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    Also, on this part, I would suggest that he be experimented on and studied (not in any cruel way) to see what (if anything) can be learned from why he is the way he is.

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