Are You Concerned that the CBO Says the Trump Bill Will Cause 11.8 Million to Lose Health Care?

I know that. I also noted that you have correctly identified a key concept that people like the OP like to ignore. Health "insurance" is not Health "care".

 

And btw...I am a huge supporter of work requirements for Medicaid. Have been for a long time. I think if you have a child using Medicaid that in order to receive the child tax credit that both the father and mother should be required to file that they each provided 100 hours of community service by the child's first birthday (no problem with allowing one to do all 200 hours if for work reasons they need to ask for that or having certain exceptions under certain circumstances).

 

Okay, I'll hold your hand through it then. There are three outcomes by which spending could be cut with a work requirement:

1. Somebody who was working is unable to fully fill out forms for some reason (often, difficulty in providing the needed information).
2. Somebody who was not working chooses to work a job that prices them out of Medicaid.
3. Somebody who is not working and remains not working, losing healthcare.

#1 and #3 don't fit your question. So your question is entirely based on #2. But, #2 would lead to increased employment. So whatever savings there are for #2 seem to be swamped by #1, as employment drops. As such, while it includes that component, it isn't the component that drives the results.

 

900 and something billion less

 

That's actually the cuts, not the budget, over the next 10 years. To me the actual dollars we spent isn't nearly as important.

I agree that able bodied people need to work or volunteer a certain number of hours a week, I just don't see how that amounts to 83 billion in savings a year.

 

One day you might understand the difference in insurance and care…

 

I just had this discussion with my brother this morning. Our mother is now in a nursing home and is on medicaid. He said it wouldn't affect her at all, and while I agree personally she is well qualified for medicaid, it might affect her if they start shutting down nursing homes. She waited for a year in a rehabilitation center for a bed at a nursing home. If they start failing due to spending cuts, no other assisted living space will allow seniors a bed until one in a nursing home comes up if it is unknown if or when that will happen.

 

With the boomers aging out, it only makes sense that it would go up.

 

Insurance provides care.

 

Wow, so nobody lost their doctor due to ACA, since the ACA just caused people to switch health insurance, not doctors.

Or, and stay with me because this is getting complicated, removing the ability of people to pay for care actually removes their ability to receive care in a system in which money is exchanged for services.

 

So let me get this straight, just so I understand. We should not have common sense gun reform because that would hurt responsible gun owners, but lets just slash a government program tens of millions of Americans who are qualified need, because of the small minority that isn't?? Doesn't that hurt the people that really need it?

Again, this administration goes in with a wrecking ball with no time to actually think and use intelligence to address a problem.

Edited to add: A what about the Dr's and medical corporations that submit fraudulent medicaid claims??? That's where the fraud and waste is. See the news today.

 

Insurance is not care. In fact insurance is a major problem as since the inception of medicare it has slowly become a quasi fascist force.

But yes. Insurance is not care. Maybe you are slowly getting that?

 

No. Insurance does not provide care. Never has. Never will.

Insurance is a product people pay for. Doctors/Nurses/Assistants/Etc provide care.

 

You only lose your doctor if you choose to lose your doctor.

Shoot. We had patients leave because we stopped contracting with insurance companies. Quite a few end up coming back. Others are trained by the insurance companies and are good with getting care elsewhere. As a side note...there really is no such thing as dental insurance. They are really just discount plans that make the insurance companies a ton of money. Medical is a different animal. While there is a real place for health insurance. It has turned into a third party middleman and one of the major reasons we now have so many doctors that are employees instead of owner in their practice. We need to get health insurance back to being insurance and not paying for every little thing.