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One Big Beautiful Bill on Target for July 4

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Jun 24, 2025 at 11:50 AM.

  1. ETGator1

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    So says senate leader Senator John Thune:

    Exclusive — Sen. John Thune: Senate on Schedule to Pass Big, Beautiful Bill by July 4

    The U.S. Senate is on track to pass the budget reconciliation plan — better known as the “big, beautiful bill” — out of the Senate by President Donald Trump’s preferred July 4 deadline, Senate Majority Leader John Thune told Breitbart News Saturday over the weekend.

    Thune first revealed to Breitbart News exclusively in April that he was targeting the July 4 deadline to get the measure out of the Senate, and on Saturday, he affirmed they are still on track to do just that.


    However, Elizabeth MacDonough acted on Monday from her position as Senate Parliamentarian to gut the OBBB and to require 60 votes.

    Ms. MacDonough was appointed by Harry Reid and serves at the pleasure of the leader of the senate. What she actually did on Monday was to demand her own pink slip which will be coming shortly once Senator Thune, and fellow republican leadership, settle on a replacement. She is not like the Fed Chairman who receives 9 years in office when appointed. To be clear, she has made herself expendable and to be ignored.

    My only concern is that the senate doesn't muck it up so much that it won't pass when sent back to the house. Senator Thune previously promised that the senate would follow the lead of the house as much as possible as it has a closer majority and is harder to pass in the house. Time is running out on the self-imposed July 4 deadline, so we'll see soon enough.

    Failure is not an option.
     
  2. demosthenes

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    The Senate majority leader can remove the Parliamentarian at any time but in practice it is not done because it’s a non-political position. To illustrate this MacDonough has served in the role since 2012. You haven’t illustrated that she’s done anything wrong other than follow the rules. For instance your citation of the 60 vote requirement is standard. You complain about the other party but it’s clear you don’t give a damn about our institutions and will break every tradition on the way to your desired outcome.
     
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  3. gator_jo

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    $3 trillion in additional debt, just to fund Trump's tax cuts for the rich.

    Anyone who support this bill ought to be embarrassed.
     
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  4. gator7_5

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    No problem with tax cuts. Just need to value engineer spending to match. There's the fail.
     
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  5. WC53

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    Given my opinion on political rhetoric. Anything named a big beautiful bill can only result in a steaming pile of poo.
     
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  6. gator_jo

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    And possibly cut spending a bit more, in order to reduce the debt.

    It's quite telling, but absolutely not surprising, that the biggest Trump supporter here gave you bacon. Clearly he feels that debt-increasing tax cuts are perfectly fine without spending cuts. I guess he and Trump just feel like we can deficit spend into perpetuity - let someone else pay the bills!! Freeloaders .....
     
  7. ETGator1

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    Just like rogue federal district judges, Ms. MacDonough has become political animal.----------Doing away with tradition, I'd have ended the filibuster on day 1. That is what dems had plans to do to pack SCOTUS and a federal abortion law.
     
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  8. gatorjnyc

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    How people don't see past this kind of performative nonsense is mind blowing. Same with how Faux News used to call themselves 'Fair and Balanced.' "Well gosh, it says 'Fair and Balanced' right there next to that there logo, so it must be!"
     
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    For you 'political animal' means not rubber stamping anything and everything Trump wants.
     
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    Will you get a tax cut?
     
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  11. gator95

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    This is a terrible bill and will be a huge burden on our debt going forward.
     
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  12. demosthenes

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    Please cite specific evidence that she is a “political animal.”
     
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  13. ETGator1

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    LOL, dems sent the US into the highest inflation in over 40 years. Let me know when this happens under Trump.
     
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  14. gator_jo

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    By "dems" you mean covid.
     
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  15. ETGator1

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    Read on Townhall and Red States.
     
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  16. gator95

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    Oh, I'm not on the left either. See, I'm a realist. Both sides suck. Absolute garbage. Both pander and lie constantly. One side tries to have the moral "high ground", but both are responsible for our out of control debt. We need to have spending cuts across the board but neither side will do that. Sucks.
     
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    Reconciliation is a set of rules the senate created by itself for itself. They could easily decide to change those rules, or eliminate those rules, or eliminate the filibuster entirely. Or they can just choose to ignore the parliamentarian

    The parliamentarian makes judgments on whether aspects of proposed bills adhere to those rules. At a simplistic level, the position decides whether provisions of the bill fit the primarily budgetary/ financial nature of the provision. So if the bill includes a provision to ban abortion, or legalize it, that clearly is not a budgetary provision. It isn’t at all a partisan position. If the current majority doesn’t like the rules they can change them.

    Here are some of those provisions:

    Senate parliamentarian’s no-go list: 12 pieces struck from Trump’s megabill

    Pretty much all of those listed aren’t even close to being primarily budget related.

    The reason why they typically don’t just fire the position or change the rules every few years is because they know sooner or later the other party will control the senate and will change it the other way.
     
  18. ETGator1

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    Ignore is on. Thune hoping for first vote on Friday.-----Filibuster on death bed, dems opposed to any bipartisan action.
     
  19. l_boy

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    His wife told him so.
     
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    Helped in part by Trump’s horrific Covid response. Dementia Don is just the lucky beneficiary that he got out of office before the economy tanked and people have amnesia about that time period and just remember things like cheap gas because nobody was traveling. Lol.
     
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