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Kilmar Abrego Garcia being returned to US

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Jun 6, 2025.

  1. gator_jo

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    Well, those things aren't even necessarily true. But it must be nice to just assume to be true anything negative about people you dislike - it's certainly convenient.

    But you're right - those are certainly three negative qualities or actions, or negative labels of what someone could do or be. I can certainly see how you would strongly avoid anyone who "tagged all three of those bases concurrently."

    Just for the sake of argument, how would you feel about someone who "tagged the three bases" of being a convicted felon, an adjudicated sexual assaulter, and had also been accused of rape and assault by his wife?
     
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  2. GatorRade

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    Right here
    When did I say I feel sorry for him for being a Maryland dad? Maybe all these things are true, but you’re making a lot of assumptions here, about me and Kilmar. Why not just wait for a trial before condemning him as guilty? Or ask me for my views before condemning them?
     
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  3. gator_jo

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    ^ Illegal immigrant. She illegally worked while on a tourist visa. She has to go.
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    If he's a gang banger, when was he charged and convicted? If he's a wife beater, same question, where are the charges and convictions? At least you can point to one charge if human trafficking, but in our society, people are innocent until proven guilty. And in the eyes of the law, Abrego Garcia is still an innocent man with 34 less felony convictions than our President.
     
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  5. mdgator05

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    So let's address the "Gang banger" part of this. What is your reaction to the judge's ruling that the government's evidence of gang involvement is both double hearsay and not convincing even if it weren't double hearsay? Seems like such a factual statement would come with a stronger factual foundation than weak double hearsay evidence.
     
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  6. vaxcardinal

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    and similar question on 'wife beater'...his wife never accused him of that...except once evidence came out she changed her tune
     
  7. mdgator05

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    Not sure what the question is.
     
  8. Gator515151

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  9. MeyerIsBack

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    The thing about due process is it only works if it is applied evenly. We can't just pick a group of people and decide they don't get due process. Then have them tried in the court of public opinion based on hyper partisan news reporting to form an opinion that breaks up a family and sends a person to a contracted Venezuelan prison. That is terrible precedent.
    If this person happens to be all the things the partisan news reported, I think the majority of people on the left agree he should punished based on the current laws.
     
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  10. VAg8r1

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    That was in 2020, this statement from Abrego Garcia's wife is much more recent.
    In an email to Newsweek on Thursday, Vasquez Sura wrote: "After the trauma of his time in ICE detention and the struggles we faced during the pandemic, I sought a temporary protective order, but through counseling and faith, Kilmar and I healed, reunited as a stronger couple, and now our family needs him home."
    Kilmar Abrego Garcia's wife responds to second abuse report

    If Abrego Garcia is to be held responsible for a situation that occurred years ago so should Pete Hegseth.
    Pete Hegseth's former sister-in-law alleges in affidavit he was abusive to second wife
    Pete Hegseth threatened, terrified his ex-wife, sister-in-law alleges
    There is also a reason why Hegseth's ex-wife has refused to address the issue.
    lHegseth’s Ex-Wife Is Bound by a Nondisparagement Clause
    Samantha Hegseth is contractually obligated not to speak ill of him, according to the terms of their divorce. A former sister-in-law has said Pete Hegseth was threatening and abusive toward Samantha Hegseth.


     
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  11. Gator515151

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    Once a wife beater always a wife beater. If you have that mean streak in you it just doesn't go away that easily.
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    So you are in effect saying that applies to Pete Hegseth as well?
     
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  13. VAg8r1

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    I would add that the Prince Georges County police officer who labeled Abrego Garcia as a gang member was later terminated for misconduct in another case, not exactly a credible source and the allegation that he was involved in human trafficking is based on traffic stop in Tennessee in 2022. Seems that the evidence was strong and credible he would have been charged back then.
     
  14. OklahomaGator

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    Do you really think it is a winning strategy to keep defending this guy?
     
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  15. gator_jo

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    It's strange that you think defending the Constitution is defending a person.

    People are defending the rights of Habeus Corpus and due process. It's not complicated.

    As usual Trump managed to turn it into a political football. It's sad that people play his game. But then, people support sending individuals who have had no trial to a prison in a country not of their own, so it's not a surprise.
     
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  16. WarDamnGator

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    Some people think smiling and waving bye-bye to their rights as a citizen is “owning the libs”…. Cause daddy Trump should get whatever he wants…
     
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  17. VAg8r1

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    Although the allegations against him may or may not be accurate the evidence of those allegations appears to be rather weak. He was deported to El Salvador despite a standing court order prohibiting his deportation. My guess is that the reason for the order was because rather than being a member of MS13 he may have very well been a target of the gang back in El Salvador with deportation putting his life in jeopardy.
     
  18. OklahomaGator

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    Ok So I guess in answer to my question it is Yes.
     
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  19. g8orbill

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    obviously he does
     
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  20. AgingGator

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    Sounds like you’ve got a room ready for him if he wants.
     
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