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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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    Which makes it particularly disgusting when some Americans carry water for the russkie bastards.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    The same group that predicted Russia would run out of missiles April 9th 2022 expecting Russia to collapse today. I expect some of you guys to run with this …

     
  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    Weren’t you claiming Russia had a 7 to 1 kill ratio?
     
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    Hmmmmm… so what you’re really telling us is Russia doesn’t have the economic might to sustain a major military conquest of Europe? After all, I know you understand the concept of economic prowess and a nation’s durability to wage successful and sustainable warfare. And no doubt, if Russia was to make a move on one of the Baltic states, for example, such a move would only serve to isolate Russia further from the world economy, furthering Russia’s already bleak economic plight. Thus, the real world chances of such a happening are quite minuscule. You would agree with all of this, correct?
     
  5. chemgator

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    What Russia HAS right now is not the same as what Russia WOULD HAVE if it conquered Ukraine. Ukraine has $12 trillion worth of mineral deposits and is considered "the world's breadbasket", with agricultural exports worth $28 billion a year. (Remember the $7 billion worth of bombers that Russia lost in the drone attack? It would take 3 months of selling Ukraine's grain to pay for new ones.) If the world accepts Russia's conquest of Ukraine and returns to normal relations with the world's gas station, Russia will recover and re-build its military stronger than before. European countries may be next.

    Try to remember that the German military and economy were not all that powerful after invading Poland in 1939. The West hoped that would be it for German expansion, but it wasn't. They became more powerful and then invaded France. Had the West responded with a military intervention and taken the Ruhr Valley, Nazi Germany would have been stopped in its tracks. You and your appeasement president would be wise to learn a little history.
     
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  6. CaptUSMCNole

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  7. duggers_dad

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    Fact Check: rage all you want …

     
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  10. demosthenes

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    Never seen one with a non-circular dome. Interesting. I assume it tends to fly perpendicular to expected threats/area it is monitoring.
     
  11. PITBOSS

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    Supposedly it’s a trade off. This design is more aerodynamic and takes less fuel but has two blind spots, front and back - like 15 degrees each. And I believe this model is less expensive but not quite as effective.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    This is as good a time as any for Trump to pull the plug (and I think he knows it) …

     
  13. CaptUSMCNole

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    The damage that is being done to Russia's defense industrial system and their inventory is so significant, it is highly likely Trump does not cut off aide to them. I laugh when people claim that Russia will invade a NATO country next if there is a peace deal in Ukraine that is favorable to Russia. They will not have ability to generate another invasion force for at least four years or so after suffering 700k causalities.
     
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  14. demosthenes

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    Sure, but then they’re playing the long game. I don’t think the solution is to let Russia gain territory then wait 4-8 years to regroup and do it all again. Russia will just keep coming. Chechnya. Georgia. Crimea. Ukraine “proper.” Maybe you consider them to be small bites but it is expansion nonetheless.
     
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  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    Had a typo in there. It is likely that Trump will not cut off aide. The return on investment for the aid is extraordinarily high.
     
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  16. PITBOSS

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    It’s the smaller countries that would initially be at risk. Moldova & the Baltics. Which is a big reason they rank towards the top of sending aid to Ukraine as a percent of gdp.
     
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  18. chemgator

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    It took Nazi Germany about eight months to invade France after invading Poland, and they lost very little of their manpower or equipment.

    It will take Russia several years to roll around in all the money they made from this heist (assuming they win the war), and decide who gets what, while they rebuild their military. Fortunately for them, it doesn't take much in the way of high-tech weaponry to subjugate a defeated population: just guns and bullets. Fortunately for Ukraine, Trump is not firing any missiles at Kiev to support his master and hero, Putin.

    Of all the countries bordering Russia, Ukraine was the one that was the most value to Putin, both financially and because of the power implicit in controlling the world's food supplies. At some point, America will have to decide whether to feed dozens of starving nations at substantial cost and difficulty, or watch millions of people die, and thousands of people turn to radical Islam and become terrorists interested in destroying the U.S.

    History will just keep repeating itself if America's leaders are just too stupid to learn from it.
     
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    I didn’t realize it until I heard a podcast today that some of the planes that were destroyed were long range bombers, in places like Siberia that could potentially be used against us, and not against Ukraine. So they did us a huge favor. Hopefully Trump appreciates that and reciprocates but I doubt it.
     
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    If you look at the footage, most of the planes were clearly armed with conventional cruise missiles (external load is a dead giveaway) and based on the explosions they were fully fueled. One could conclude that many of those planes were being readied for more operations against Ukraine when the attacks came.
     
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