Daughter pleads case as Apopka parents set to be deported to Guatemala

Wouldn't capitalism say that it is impossible to work for "below market" wages? The market set the wage...slavery though is a wage of $0 or the inability to leave the job when you choose. Poor people are actually pretty job mobile, including immigrants, for better or worse.

 

It's going to be an uphill battle for them to claim legal status when the people with the boots around their necks don't want to pay for benefits, increased pay and a bunch of people that can vote. That's why neither the Dems or pubs have done anything, they like cheap labor at the expense of life. Both parties are beyond repairable IMHO.

 

That’s the funny thing, the only issues with the migrant worker is undercutting wages, not paying into SS and payroll taxes, employers not adhering to OSHA type regulations. All things fringe conservatives largely want to get rid of!

“Illegal labor” represents an unregulated free market for labor. Libertarian utopia. I’m not in favor of doing away with those by regs by any stretch of the imagination, actually that’s the prism I look at this issue through. Are the EMPLOYERS gaming the system when American workers were available? But it’s funny watching fake “conservatives” try to claim it’s for humanitarian reasons (comparing them to slaves) or that it’s about fairness for workers when they are so morally bankrupt they appear to not care if these people live or die. Nobody’s falling for that bs.

 

I'm sorry but I'm tired of this narrative. The children are NOT American. A child, at the time of their birth, is a citizen of the country of their mother. Since the mother in this case is Guatemalan, the children are Guatemalan. A child can not be a citizen of a different country than their mother when they aren't even old enough to walk. It's so simple and yet we make it more difficult.

The children should be deported as well with the parents. They are Guatemalan, not American. It's time for them to go home. The whole family needs to go.

 

According to Section 1 of the 14th Amendment they're American citizens.
AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark | Constitution Center

 

Intended for the descendants of slaves only who were brought against their will. Or have you forgotten that the 14th Amendment was literally created right after the Civil War and the abolition of slavery? The 14th Amendment was never intended to create anchor babies.

What makes more sense VAg8r1, that a child would be a citizen of the country they have no connection to and have no legal right to be in (based off their parents). Or that a child would be a citizen of the country of their mother? You know, the country that the child actually has a connection to? The country that their mother is a part of? The country that has all of their heritage and traditions?

If Trump does nothing else, I hope he completely dismantles birthright citizenship. One of the worst things the country ever did. YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF THE COUNTRY OF YOUR MOTHER! Case closed, the end.

 

Let me emphasize this even more.

Their parents had no legal right to be in the United States. Therefore, their children had no legal right to be born in the United States. If their parents hadn't violated our sovereignty as foreign invaders, broken our laws and been here illegally, THESE KIDS WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

Children of slaves had a right to be here because they were forced to be here. Children of illegal immigrants have no right to be here.

The vacation is over. TIME TO GO BACK HOME!!

 

MAGA has actually convinced themselves that the Constitution actually just means whatever it is they want it to mean.

Totally weird how we got here - wondering if it had something to do with their political hero consistently lying about fake election fraud and trying to overturn an election?

 

They could have said "former slaves" if they wanted to restrict the right. They did not say that. They didn't explicitly include immigrants because there was literally no such thing as an illegal immigrant at that time. After the passage of the 14th Amendment, literally any person could walk off of a boat, immediately have a baby, and they became citizens. Every single one. Sorry, just the way it was.

 

The Constitution isn't a piece of paper you hang next to your toilet like many MAGA members would wish. It is the highest document in the US, and the 14th Amendment makes no mentions of slaves, slavery, or their descendants. It does say "All persons," and last time I checked, children of even undocumented immigrants living in the US qualifies as a person.

Birthright citizenship has also been upheld by the SCOTUS for over 125 years. These kids are citizens. Case closed.

 

I'm pretty sure Melania and Barron have now gone through the LEGAL process. But if not, sure. I have no problem saying Melania and Barron should be exempt just because they are family to the President. No one should be exempt.

 

You wait AzCatFan, we are going to dismantle that amendment that only applies to children of slaves. THOSE KIDS ARE CITIZENS OF GUATEMALA, case closed. I win, you lose. We are going to stop people like you who want to manipulate things like the constitution and the asylum process.

Good that we're starting with the parents, let those kids go through the pain and suffering. They can always rejoin them at home if they really care about their parents so much.

I hope the Company is invested too for illegal embezzlement and tax evasion. I bet a bunch of that money went back to Guatemala with no benefit to the local economy, since illegal immigrants are notorious for that.

And as someone who lives in the area, this area will be better with them gone. I will gladly help them pack their stuff up.

How does it feel AzCatFan to know your guest worker program you love so much will never see the light of day? Honestly, part of me wants to make it my life's work to make sure any guest worker program is utterly DEFEATED, just to own you.

 

The more interesting case might be Marco Rubio, who's already run for President once and as Secretary of State, is currently fourth in the line of succession. Of course, even if the Court were inclined to reverse the long-standing birthright citizenship precedent (which I think is unlikely), I imagine that any retroactive application would be a separate issue.

 

Sorry, the Constitution has meaning to me. You seem to enjoy hanging it next to your toilet and wiping with it. That's one major difference between you and me. If you want to make an Amendment to change the 14th, go ahead and try. Until then, the law of the land, from the Constitution, has meaning. And if we don't follow the meaning and SCOTUS interpretation, then we are no longer a Constitutional Republic.

Another difference between you and me is owning you isn't a goal of mine. In fact, it's the last thing I care about. I'd rather have policies that improve the lives of all Americans and have zero desire to own anyone. The desire to punish fellow countrymen just because they have a different political opinion is not only foreign to me, I find it idiotic. I much rather have a constructive conversation and find common ground with compromises where we both get something. You, on the other hand, enjoy dividing the country and tearing us apart? Very counterproductive.

Which brings me back to actual labor numbers. We have 8 million undocumented in our workforce. Only 7 million on unemployment, and about 7 million job openings. Who benefits from deporting 8 million workers and leaving 7 million on unemployment to deal with 15 million open jobs? And how, pray tell, do you benefit, thedonald, from this family leaving? Is it just you don't like their skin color? Because why else would you want to deport an entire family that owns a house, a business, has children, pays taxes...?

 

if they're undocumented, how do you know they're in the workforce?

 

Cute. (And a truly informative addition to the conversation, as always!)


Estimating the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. labor force is done through a combination of methods, including demographic analysis of survey data, analysis of administrative data like border apprehensions, and mathematical modeling. These estimates are not precise, as they rely on assumptions and models, but they provide the best available information on the size and composition of the undocumented immigrant workforce.


Also;

Measuring illegal immigration: How Pew Research Center counts unauthorized immigrants in the U.S.

(that took me less than 20 seconds)

 

If you are saying pointing a gun (metaphorical or otherwise) at someone and coercing them to work for $.01/hr is still a model of capitalist exchange, who am I to argue? I agree, because all labor is exploited and coerced in capitalism to some degree, perhaps not to that extreme. But I dont think you will read that in an economics text book, where economic exchange tends to be presented in the abstract as equals receiving like value in exchange, where parties come to the bargaining table without real or metaphorical weaponry. Prison or illegal immigrant labor is usually not the model free-traders run with.

 

This will help you with the industries the undocumented work in. The estimate is only 7.5 million, but it's from 2022, and there are a scattering of immigrants that don't work in any of these industries that add the additional, approximate 500k.

 

Barron was an American Citizen at birth- just like Obama