Hegseth orders Navy ship USNS "Harvey Milk" to be stripped of its name

No one is arguing they cant do it, just pointing out the why

 

True but not relevant in context. The injustice Milk suffered later in life does not change the OTH characterization of his service he earned with his own military misconduct. Name all kinds of other things after him if you like. Leave the Navy out of it. Whatever happened later in life, he disgraced himself in the Navy.

 

Of all the stuff this admin is doing, this one bothers me the least.

Why the heck this ship was named after him in the first place is beyond me. It is like the left just wants to shoot itself in the foot using a wedge issue that pushes more away than it attracts and makes it easy for the Pubs to paint you as radicals pushing an extreme agenda.

Having gays in the military is a complex issue on its own, but forcing a bunch of alpha type straight men to serve on a ship dedicated to a flamer is just asking for trouble.

 

That class of ships is named after civil rights figures (the first was named after John Lewis), and I dont recall anyone raising the issue back in 2016 when it was announced. Or the first Trump administration addressing it as some kind of problem. Lets be clear here that a bunch of insecure bigots decided these things were a problem years later, and its somehow the lefts problem lol. Tired of this nonsense.

 

Tubman absolutely used waterways and a network of black mariners along the Chesapeake during her work. More importantly she participated in the Combahee River Raid during the Civil War, which utilized Union gunboats to free enslaved people.

Raid on Combahee Ferry - Wikipedia

 

Rings similar to the push to remove Thomas Jefferson and George Washington monuments and name from schools/buildings. People focused on the fact they owned slaves.. something more than accepted at the time and decided that was enough to remove their statues and names from buildings. Don’t look at all the good things they did.
Again…. Both sides acting the same.

 

What part of those fighting for Civil Rights do you not understand? These names are meant to be symbolic for others in our country who do not have the stunted worldviews, narrow-mindedness, and extreme beliefs many on this board exhibit.

And military service is military service - considering the atmosphere at the time, it is no wonder gays were targeted and harassed for things they are not harassed for now because the times have changed.

Let's also not pretend military personnel haven't traditionally gotten away murder as far as all kinds of sexual misconduct which has been traditionally swept under the rug. I can cite tons of chapter and verse if you'd like.

If you want, I can find ships named for Presidents who have all kinds of skeletons in their closet and I don't remember anyone having an issue serving on those ships.

Also seem to remember a bunch of Confederates being honored with US Navy ship names and not a Fing peep from the right about those historical figures acted, that they fought against our country, and in fact they EXCUSE the behavior because they are white.

Get off your high horse.

 

It becomes their problem when they push away voters leaving the door open for someone like Trump to become president. The whole LGBTQ issue likely lost us the last election. I read somewhere that Trump's "they/them" commercials flipped something like 5% of men from supporting Kamala to supporting Trump based on some polling.

And don't get me wrong, I support everyone's right to be who they want to be assuming it hurts no one else, and agree with the need to promote tolerance. But I also believe by being too provocative can hurt your cause.

Take Gay Parades during pride month. Again, I don't have a problem with them per say, but to a pretty large segment it is akin to a White Supremist parade.

 

You clearly do have a problem with them with all these qualifiers. Its ok to say you agree with the bigots, at the very least you are sensitive to their feelings. The problem people have with some liberals is that they dont seem to have any principles or any spine to stand up to people, even the worst most corrupt people in America.

 

Agree 100%. You're not forming a coalition with lgbt acrivists and blue collar union workers. They need to figure out a way to thread that needle as more of a libertarian stance

 

That's bullshit, if you go to any union local you will see LGBT activists and pride stuff, those people tend to be good organizers and involved in things. Unite Here at Disney for example. Unions are built on solidarity! An injury to one is an injury to all. Assuming blue collar workers are raging bigots is a problem!

 

I appreciate your point about swing voters, particularly with respect to the issue of trans women in sports and pronoun debates. But I really question whether Democrats are going to win over folks who truly believe that gay pride parades are comparable to White Supremacist rallies.

 

You got me, as a straight man (like 90% of men) who has no interest in having his junk cut off (like 99.5% of men), I agree the whole LGBTQ thing isn't my cup of tea ok?

But I support their rights to be who they want to be and I personally don't even care if they flaunt it in the streets.

But I do care that the left who are the champions for many of the causes I do care deeply about allow themselves to be led around by the nose on this issue. I support having freedom, tolerance, and acceptance as being a core liberal belief, but going beyond that to promoting and celebrating the life style is not something I want my government doing.

Again, it isn't going to change MY vote, but it did for a large number of voters in this last election.

 

The last White House already determined the name for the ship.

The current administration needs to honor that, but they won't because they can stoke their idiot base so easily with cheap shots like this because their base is ignorant.

We are in a no-win situation as a country because of this.

When your opponent has no depths they will not go to, the country loses.

MAGA is the epitome of what unprincipled wielding of power brings.

 

So you are ok and a good person, its just that those hypothetical bigots you look down on must be coddled? And you are willing to throw people under the bus to appease them? Typical spineless lib stuff, triangulating us into fascism.

 

I love how you think that if ONLY the liberals had doubled, tripled, or maybe even quadrupled down on losing issues like this one they would have somehow won the election. What color is the sky in your world?

 

I didnt see the party advocate anything or run on any of the issues you are talking about. You seem to be mad at potential voters for caring about those things or making them an issue in their communities. In effect you seem to be saying care about something else? Ok, maybe if the Democrats ran on anything concrete they wouldnt be defined by their opposition so much. But its a party that stand for nothing it seems.

 

Methinks that the pendulum just swung too far left over the past administration and this is simply the pendulum swinging back the other way. That answers the timing question for me. Anyone a Navy vessel is named after should have a damn near stellar background as far as I am concerned, and Mr. Milk was far from that.

 

The proof was in the pudding. There's a reason a majority of Union workers voted against their own interests. There's a reason Democrats have lost the working class. You tell me why that is?