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Possible terror attack in Boulder

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by docspor, Jun 1, 2025 at 7:36 PM.

  1. VAg8r1

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    What a nut. At least he started ranting rather than continuing to throw molokov’s . Learned how to make them on YouTube.
     
  3. 92gator

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    You equating commie hurt feewings with ppl being attacked and killed????

    That's some cheesy ass shit right there.

    And that's not even factoring for how much torturous bloodshed commies have actually perpetrated, vs the jews, who have been on the receiving end of violence waaaaaayyyy more than the giving end.

    Commies have to be stomped the #$$%# out, to keep them from violent bullying .
     
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    Yeah, totes. Maybe as part of their hostage protest they could have fired off some rounds in the air. Show any would be attackers who’s boss. Praised be.

    They were peaceful protestors wanting Israeli hostages freed! If a bunch of people show up brandishing AR-15 they aren’t really doing “peaceful protests”, it would be more like “militant group demands hostage release”. Now maybe it would be wise for them to have had security or something. A cop appeared to respond pretty quickly, so maybe there WAS reasonable security for what appears to be a low key event (and by that I mean all you need is 1-2 cops in the area to see if any issues arise with “counter-protests”). Ultimately a deranged sicko wanting to attack a public event will always have the upper hand unless you have controlled access + hardened security, but this doesn’t look like an event that would have expected much in the way of sophisticated security planning.
     
  7. ridgetop

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    So
    We are supposed to imagine an illegal
    Immigrant with ties/loyalties to Palestine buying an AR15 in Colorado and going through the legal
    Process to own said firearm? Or are we to assume criminals and bad characters will ignore all the rules put in place and obtain the gun illegally?
    If that’s the case can we also imagine to paint destruction if he had a bomb strapped to his chest and walked out into the middle of the group? Or had rented a lakefront ev pick up or hummer and ran through the crowd..
    Why do you strive to take the focus off the monster that attacked a peaceful protest and put it in an instrument that wasn’t even present? Agenda much?
     
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  8. GolphinGator

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    So do you think the security should be armed? Why is armed security different than any other armed human. Do they get special powers when they put a security badge on or something?
     
  9. wgbgator

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    Well it seems like this guy found it easier to use molotovs than to obtain a gun illegally. This case seems like an argument against the idea that gun regs are useless.
     
  10. mdgator05

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    Well, for one, there is the concept of vetting for the position. This is increased by making whoever hired them responsible for their actions (in civil and, in some cases, criminal terms).

    When random people show up to events armed, it is hard to guess what the specific intent of that person is. Try to identify which one is the one who wants to protect everybody vs the one who wants to shoot anybody. And that is before we get into the whole accidental and lack of training issues.

    Essentially, you seem to want a world that is just a gigantic Mexican standoff where we all implicitly threaten each other with guns with the hope being that nobody fires the first shot and starts the cascade.
     
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    The “special power” is that they are in charge of security while everyone else can go about their day. Yes, “armed security” by definition should be armed. What kind of question is that? :confused:

    The police response doesn’t look terrible, but nevertheless is too late (so not sure if he was in the park or blocks over). Either way, post hoc responding to threat instead of threat intervention. If they’d had 1 armed security guard, or designated 1 person as such (just as synagogues so often have done since the Tree of Life extremist shooting), then that security guard would have had more direct responsibility to these specific people. That of course doesn’t make it 100%, it’s mostly about improving odds and deterrence I think.
     
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    I will state again that irony must now be dead. We have a president whose White House is full of white nationalists who hate Jews, who dines with and shows great respect for neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes, who said that some of the Nazis in Charlotte were "good people", and who is a part of an effort to use the power of the government to force all Americans, especially Jews and even mainstream Christians, to live according to fundamentalist Christian principles. The irony lies in the fact that some of his supporters posit that the left is the main purveyor of antisemitic trash.

    And they do this in spite of the clear history in this country that the center of antisemitic hatred resides in the far right wing, as it always has, and as it always will. Sure, there has been a rise in antisemitism in the furthest reaches of the far left, but that is nothing compared to all the white nationalists, Klan sympathizers, Nazis, and generalized right wing haters of anybody not a WASP, all of whom hate Jews, and most of whom support Trump.

    That irony must be dead is also supported by the fact that some right wing supporters of Trump call Democrats communists. They call Democrats communists while the president they lionize kisses up to Putin, AN ACTUAL COMMUNIST KGB MEMBER WHO WAS DEDICATED TO DEFEATING THE USA THROUGHOUT MOST OF HIS CAREER (and it should be obvious that he still is). Trump supports Russia and its communist leader by purposely harming NATO, treating our democracy-practicing former allies as enemies, showing horrible hostility to Ukraine, and generally governing in ways that support Russia. But Democrats are communists....sure...

    Yes, irony is dead because supporters of a president who consorts with antisemites daily call Democrats antisemitic and because supporters of a president who supports and favors communist led Russia call Democrats communists!

    Edited to add: And here's an article published today that buttresses my points and adds in a few more:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/03/...W-v4AACEiHoriWNmtXGqRse3t1AIxXqAwL4Y31KPjJg==
     
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  13. ridgetop

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    You won’t find me saying him refs are useless. You will find me saying that in the whole most fun laws only effect the law abiding. Evil will committ ev no matter what. Disarming or I Fri going about the upstanding, good citizens is not the answer to stopping evil.
     
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  14. wgbgator

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    What are you really saying here? Kinda all over the place. This guy was 'law abiding,' in that he didn't try to buy a gun illegally after his legal attempt was thwarted. So, in this case a person with evil intent was stopped from acquiring a deadlier weapon, and it probably prevented an even worse tragedy and deaths. The UK has strict gun laws, so the weapon of choice for people is knives. Do people die from knives? Yeah, but its a lot harder to kill many people with a knife than a gun. This guy was 'law abiding' until he tried to set people on fire, so I don't really understand trying to make a distinction between who laws affect, because they literally affect everyone the same in formal terms. That's how laws work. The rich man and poor man are both prevented from sleeping under a bridge equally as the old adage goes.
     
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    how do you know he didn’t try to get a gun illegally? Maybe he ran out of time. Maybe it was too expensive. Maybe maybe maybe. Again.. the original
    Poster of the imagine if post wants to divert focus away from an illegal criminal murdering Jews to an in animate object that was not used. You and I can surmise why it wasn’t used or why he didn’t obtain one. But I. The end the focus should be on the monster who was here illegally.
     
  16. wgbgator

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    If he tried, he failed. From what I read he was planning something for at least a year, so its not like he wasn't patient. So after a year of maybe speculatively trying to get a gun, he decided fire was still easier.
     
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    meanwhile, Hege is promoting known anti-semetic peopel to important positions at the pentagon. Bet she goes on a lot of trips with him

    nothing like promoting a known anti-semetic person to be your press secretary to send a clear message as to your beliefs

    wow..just wow..maga, you good with this? all the same posters above worried about anti-semitism will certainly condone this appointment..

    Pete Hegseth’s New Press Secretary Posted Deranged Claims About Lynching

    A Pentagon staffer was promoted by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth despite her history of pushing antisemitic conspiracy theories and neo-Nazi rhetoric on social media.

    Kingsley Wilson, formerly a deputy press secretary at the Department of Defense, was appointed as the Pentagon’s chief press secretary on May 23, just months after reports exposed her extremist online views.

    That includes endorsing the “great replacement” theory—which falsely claims white Americans are being intentionally replaced as the dominant race in the U.S for political gain—as a “reality.”

    She also pushed the long-debunked claim that Leo Frank, a Jewish man lynched in Georgia in 1915 after a wrongful conviction, was actually guilty. Frank was posthumously pardoned in 1986 by the state of Georgia.

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  18. VAg8r1

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    Apparently he tried to get a gun and could not purchase one (at least legally) based on his immigration status.
     
  19. wgbgator

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    Yes, he couldnt buy a gun legally when he tried. He wasnt able to go to the black market like the gun people claim would happen for people who really want to get a gun. More of a risk to obtain than the weapons he ended up using.
     
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